I have been playing laggy(~ 38/32/20). a few players tried to play back and I had good hands or called them light and won. At this point it's safe to say most of the players are kind of pissed off but so far the ones at the table haven't shown any indications they're playing back apart from tightening up vs me and not taking my 3bets as seriously.

This is a full-ring but for a few hands went down to 6-handed

Villain is playing tight something like 16/9 and is a 3 gold stars on merge. so probably a grinder reg. But I have no reads on him. He's not been playing back BvB

Merge - $0+$0.00|<> NL - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: 15,705.00
BB: 13,170.00
UTG: 6,990.00
Hero (MP): 25,103.00
CO: 10,711.00
BTN: 14,438.00

SB posts ante 25.00, BB posts ante 25.00, UTG posts ante 25.00, Hero posts ante 25.00, CO posts ante 25.00, BTN posts ante 25.00, SB posts SB 125.00, BB posts BB 250.00

Pre Flop: (525.00) Hero has T J

fold, Hero raises to 555.00, CO calls 555.00, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (1635.00, 2 players) J 3 3
Hero bets 817.00, CO raises to 2,800.00, Hero ?

He is tight but didn't raise you, which doesn't mean weakness because of your horrible image. He can have pretty much everything but you would have to tend towards medium pairs+ and KJ+ because of his tightness.
He asks you 2k on a 5.2k pot which means 38%, not good considering he has a high chance of trapping you and having already two pair. The ten is not even considered as an out. So your outs are 2 J and it's not even sure since he can have QJ-KJ. Bleh bleh, sucks a bit.
If you 3 bet, you are basically saying that you've got Jx, JJ+ or a trey. If he 4bets you, you puke then have to call his jam ?
If you call you are ready to call his jam on the turn or jam yourself any card (Alone in the dark).
If you fold you are showing that you are not so serious on your flop bets and it must already be the case.

Since it's the first time he is defending his blind, since he is tight... I would fold and see if he repeats this pattern so I can punish him next time. I still got a huge M and would love to continue to hit the table with it.

looks like an info raise, prob call and fold turn since he will give up with worse OTT, easily exploidable but if you read is correct its a good line.
if he is fos call down.

furo : isn't 3.5 times my bet a bit too much for a probe bet ? Doesn't he make this kind of probe by raising to 1700 in general ? Just a question because I have hard times finding when it's a probe bet and how to deal with them.
In general I raise when I think it's a probe bet not sure if that's the correct line. Like here I find it hard to raise it, without going all-in since I would have to call his jam.

I completely agree. The Yeti Theorem states that you should always 4bet/shove on boards like this as the majority of the time you're against a bluff.

^ 3 bet on the flop would be the raise of a reraise. . In this hand I got 2 bet

Bet, raise, reraise, raise again is not a 3 bet. Remember, you can't raise flop when checked to.

otf first bet is 1 bet raise is 2 bet, reraise is 3 bet rereraise is 4 bet.

yetti refers to a situation where you for instance c/r a dry paired flop then get 3 bet. that's when it's almost always a bluff. trust me. I guess I misspoke (should be the reraise of a raise) but still it's clear what I meant. stop nitpicking.

What hands are you guys expecting him to raise "for information" when his raise sizing creates a turn SPR of less than 2:1 if we call? What's our equity against those hands on future streets?

OP, has he been sizing his bets/raises on the larger side? How often do you think he is FOS here?


A ten is probably the best turn card possible for us.

he has not been involved enough for me to notice his sizing. But considering he's been timid BVB I'm inclined to think he's not airballing very often

not this. plz. not this ever.

he actually makes some good points in that post. Apart from the "defending blinds" and "horrible image" comment. lol I work hard for that one!

hmm, not for nothing, but what are those points? that the T wouldn't help us at all? "the chance of him having already two pair" (lol)? or maybe the "if you fold, you'll show that you're not so serious on your flop bets"?

I rly don't mean to be a jerk and I'm not saying he's a bad player, but, come on...that was a bad post.

do you disagree that the chance of him already having 2 pair is high?

maybe he thinks the guy wouldn't 3bet a jack and isn't fos (not an unreasonable assumption) in which case a T wouldn't help.

But makes the point that with my stack it's better to avoid this high variance close spot in order to continue doing what im doing, which I think is a very good point that I lose track of very often.

But yes, the comment about the T is not his brightest.

hmm, not for nothing, but we also have 2 pair..

the T would help against a huge part of his value range. sure it might not, but so what? maybe someone else folded a J and we're running dead. maybe he's spazzing out and he's almost dead. that doesn't mean anything. the T helps.

I'm not discussing that. anyway, I think you might be losing value in general.