[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $3 Buy-in (400/800 blinds, 100 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
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CO: 15,635 (19.5 bb)
BTN: 9,797 (12.2 bb)
SB: 18,491 (23.1 bb)
BB: 26,559 (33.2 bb)
UTG+1: 10,360 (13 bb)
UTG+2: 44,083 (55.1 bb)
MP1: 5,492 (6.9 bb)
Hero (MP2): 22,213 (27.8 bb)
MP3: 24,981 (31.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q K
3 folds, Hero raises to 1,600, 3 folds, SB calls 1,200, BB folds

Flop: (4,900) 9 9 K (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (4,900) J (2 players)
SB bets 1,600, Hero calls 1,600

River: (8,100) 4 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets 3,244, SB folds

Hey guys,i played 1,1$ tourney it was in middle stage,i opened wide range and i had loose aggresive image.I think pre is standart right ?
And what about post,do you think,i should c-bet here ?
Villain's stats were 26/16 11% and play on SB had 26% after 63 hands....
I think i should to try c-bet and u ?

C-Bet always fo value. And try to get it in somewhere.

2125 otf plz. turn call is good. river sizing is fine.

I think you played the hand fine. It's actually a pretty good spot to *not* c-bet, I think. You probably won an extra 1600 chips because of your flop check.

Please make some arguments!

Well it depends a bit on how we play other hands, but:

- if villain is aggro, we likely win a bet later if we check now

- there's not many hands villain can call with on this flop that we beat besides weaker Kx hands, and with two Ks out, those hands are a tiny part of villain's range

- we don't really have much to fear by giving a free card here

- we probably wouldn't be too pleased to get raised on the flop

- in general we need to check some made hands instead of c-bettnig so we can sometimes check back draws or missed overcard hands.

C-betting is fine too of course, but I'll check these spots at least a decent % of the time.

I dont think this is a flop we want to c-back at all. Im happy to face a raise on the flop when he can only have super few better hands. I dont want to give free cards to gutters & FD´s and also because those are the hands that he will most likely bluff OTF. In general i think we dont have to worry about balancing in this hand at all, and Fwiw i think we should c-bet draws & lots of air so we can always c-bet our top range of made hands.
Imo we are just missing a ton of value when we dont c-bet "nuts".

Edit. Topic says it´s a 1,1$ and in the HH 3$. Either way we dont want to get fancy at the stakes. Super obv c-bet 100% of the time.

Not too interested in a long debate - I just don't really agree with most of what you're saying. But mostly this bit:

You aren't missing any value at all if villain can't call your c-bet in the first place, for one, and for another thing, there can be a lot of value from inducing worse hands to bluff later.

Anyway, I probably cbet less often than every other winning player on the internet, so probably everyone will disagree with me, but I don't really have much reason to change.

Actually I was just in the middle of a tourney when I made the post above and had this hand below which was kinda a perfect illustration of why I'm often checking these spots against aggro villains (sorry, it's from bwin and the Hand History Converter won't work, but I tried to make it look nice ). Read on villain, villain had just pot bluffed a river with 9 high the previous hand and seemed tilty.

Seat 2: ss780 (5375)
Seat 3: Tordete (6880)
Seat 5: szukin (20214)
Seat 6: deml1990 (12690)
Seat 7: VILLAIN (11835)
Seat 8: sushi baby (12935)
ANTES/BLINDS
deml1990 posts blind (80), VILLAIN posts blind (160).

PRE-FLOP
Dealt to sushi baby: Q J

sushi baby raises to 360, ss780 folds, Tordete folds, szukin folds, deml1990 folds, VILLAIN calls 360.

FLOP [board cards: Q 2 2 ]
VILLAIN checks, sushi baby checks.

TURN [board cards: Q 2 2 3 ]
VILLAIN bets 800, sushi baby calls 800.

RIVER [board cards: Q 2 2 3 5 ]
VILLAIN bets 2400, sushi baby calls 2400.

SHOWDOWN
VILLAIN shows [ 6 3 ]
sushi baby shows [ Q J ]
sushi baby wins 7200.

I don't think I make any money here unless I check flop.

And my apologies to czech-shark for taking over your thread!

SORRY GUYS,3$ OBV,my fault....

this is right

I know that no two hands are exactly the same but that's a huge read you have on villain. OP doesn't have anything like that with KQ.

I think you argued your point really well (and you almost convinced me) but I feel like value and balance mean a lot more than any of this. Plus since villain's a good player I could argue that he'll view our check on a K high board with suspicion and that the best way to induce him is by cbetting.

h1 is mandatory cbet to value all the draws and worse kings in a 3$
checking K72 rainbow, why not