PokerStars - $10+$1|40/80 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: 11,406.00
UTG: 1,875.00
Hero (UTG+1): 4,580.00
MP: 2,970.00
MP+1: 900.00
CO: 3,067.00
BTN: 8,607.00
SB: 2,540.00

BB posts ante 10.00, UTG posts ante 10.00, Hero posts ante 10.00, MP posts ante 10.00, MP+1 posts ante 10.00, CO posts ante 10.00, BTN posts ante 10.00, SB posts ante 10.00, SB posts SB 40.00, BB posts BB 80.00

Pre Flop: (200.00) Hero has T K

UTG calls 80.00, Hero raises to 165.00, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 85.00, UTG calls 85.00

Flop: (615.00, 3 players) K J 4
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets 305.00, BB calls 305.00, fold

Turn: (1225.00, 2 players) 3
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (1225.00, 2 players) T
BB bets 400.00, Hero


Can I raise for thin value here, or am I only getting called by hands that beat me? Make it like 16-1700?

Fold pre, depending on table dynamic, your image and position.

Barrel the turn ~ 777ish, and vbet the river.

As played I would min raise 1000ish.

Bet the turn. The 3s doesnt change anything so u are still ahead.

Also betting the turn will make V to define his hand.

wp just call river.

Aren't we missing value?

pre flop is very bad..

as played, bet flop, turn and river

It's unlikely we get value with KT from worse on 3 streets. we miss value from QTs probably but that's it. I don't think AQ calls 2 consecutive streets. our hand is probably good for 2 streets of value so I prefer to check turn, underrep our hand a little and get the second street of value otr. I think we're more likely to get called by a jack that way than if we double barrel flop and turn. and this also allows us to bluff catch hands that miss like QTs/AQ otr. Also a bit of a pot control so that we don't vtown ourselves vs better kings.

OTR if we raise I doubt we get called by worse. we'll probably get calls only from slowplayed sets, better 2 pairs and straights since we're really repping AQ. I don't think TJ calls for instance if villain is solid.

imo he prolly 3bets AK or KQ. KJ could raise the flop, or he would very likely raise the turn, in which case we find an easy fold. on the other hand, he could very well call 2 streets with Jx, Kxs (he only had to call 1 blind).

I think you're greatly overestimating the skills of the random small stakes MTTer.

most people don't 3 bet KQ (or AQ if that's what you meant) at these stakes and many of them don't c/r flop with top pair. since you agree that he could call 2 streets with Jx/Kx why not make those streets flop and river?

I rly don't agree with that.

because then I get to bet again on the river knowing that if he flatted PF and check/called me twice he doesn't have AK, KQ or KJ very often, and I can safely bet for value, knowing that he will likely fold a J and might call with some other K's, and in the vast majority of the time I would have the best hand.

and again, you overestimate the average small stakes MTTer..you might get called down by 66...

btw, I rly meant AK.

what "other K's" do you beat. dude OP isoed from UTG+1 so he's repping a range that KT is not even in. expect people to c/c better vs you on 3 streets because of that. You also gain value from bluff catching which you don't seem to appreciate.

isoed?? rly?? did you read the HH? it was a min raise. the big blind gets like 66k to 1 on the call. he could have ANY suited K. in fact, he might very well have any suited J. and he might fold those hands, and he might call, but my value bet on the river is safe because he wouldn't play AK, KQ or KJ like that almost ever.

The point I made with regards to isoing is about Hero's range not villains. it still stands. and yes they do play KQ like that very often. But I didn't notice how small Hero isoed so yes, iso more. I still would play it the same way though.

ok, but the avg player in these stacks isn't really calling based on his perception of hero's ranges.

and I still think you're losing value here.

Bigger pre
Bet turn
999 fold river

http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/show...Post%205715248

read this. it should improve your game

honestly, I know I can improve my game, but I rly feel like you're not above my skill level. I rly doubt that you can point out serious leaks in my post flop game. and you being condescending to me sounds pretty amusing tbh.

in b4 HU4rollz

don't tempt me

lol ok

I don't mind isolating pre btw, I think we should try to play HU IP vs. fish as often as possible. I would be tempted to not do this because a large % of the time there will be an overcaller since we are in really early position. I don't think it's awful, I just don't like the sizing pre. I would raise to 240 pre.


I make the same cbet sizing on the flop.

I sometimes bet this turn depending on the villain in the BB. If he has a VPIP of like over 30, I would be betting this turn, and betting the river.

If he's a solid player, I would x/b the turn. I would think about raising the river. I think KJ would raise the flop. I don't think he has AK in his range, unless he's really passive. I think he would bet AQ/KJ larger anyway.. also sets would probably bet larger also. He's probably going for thin value with AJ (not that likely because I think the avg. player at $11 BI does not know how to thin value bet.. they just look at their cards).. He probably has KQ with this bet size. I would raise to 1,000. I expect a call from KQ. I don't give the avg. villain credit to fold TP.

I fold pre,
after your flop raise I would barrel turn (although I don't hate your check because of pot control vs a better K) and v bet river
as played at least call river (don't fold), his sizing points towards a bluff/single pair type of hand that just wants to block bet otr (KQs, J9s, AT, K9s, QT, if he's bad he could have any suited K or J), because essentially only two hands got there (AQ, Q9, but I think he raises AQ pre), point is that in the long run we won't be called often by worse and here we're bluff catching him + we see his hand

raise bigger, cbet + turn check is ok imo
as played you have to bet turn and raise river for value.

b/f ott is my default.
ssync's 999/f sounds good given the size of villain's lead.

Yea betting the turn is better than checking turn and betting/bluffcatching river I reckon.
Definitely raise the river.