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08-20-2017 , 03:08 AM

Babanka

centurion

Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 104

Poker Stars, $10 Buy-in (5,000/10,000 blinds, 1,250 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37812773

MP1: 200,067 (20 bb)
MP2: 52,679 (5.3 bb)
MP3: 158,635 (15.9 bb)
CO: 84,889 (8.5 bb)
Hero (BTN): 395,586 (39.6 bb)
SB: 280,956 (28.1 bb)
BB: 532,387 (53.2 bb)
UTG+1: 368,870 (36.9 bb)
UTG+2: 259,990 (26 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with J

UTG+1 raises to 24,500, 2 folds, MP2 raises to 51,429 and is all-in, 2 folds, Hero ?

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OR is runnig 20/8/0 for 50 hands, and hero is running 22/13/0. He seemed like pure ABC player, nothing out of the line from him. It's some kind of standart play, but I'm interested to hear your oppinions.

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08-20-2017 , 04:24 AM

magninioh

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Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 250

I think a small re-raise to around 100k will be fine here.
Fold if UTG+1 jams all in.

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08-20-2017 , 02:46 PM

Captain-Hindsight

adept

Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 1,114

I'd just flat the 5bb and fold to a shove

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08-22-2017 , 03:22 AM

Babanka

centurion

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I'm not a big fan of raise folding this. May be call and fold vs straightforward player is ok. Versus regular it's ok to flat and call a shove I guess, because regular is capable to push a bit wider in this spot imo.

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08-22-2017 , 08:26 AM

Darth_Maul

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You only have 40bb to start, 4b-folding is pretty bad. I'd flat and hope utg+1 doesn't 4b. And hope for a low flop.

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08-23-2017 , 06:58 AM

Colinb7

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Surely this is incredibly nitty to fold JJ preflop to a 35bb shove from utg1 if you flat (I agree that 4bet folding is pretty bad). Utg1 will see all that dead money and can conceivably see villain 4bet shove as low as 88/AQ. Am I way off here?

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08-23-2017 , 11:30 AM

Afteryastack

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Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 421

Either shove or call, never 4b folding.

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08-23-2017 , 11:37 AM

26sk8er

grinder

Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 596

I like jamming slightly more then flatting, utg is going to be opening wider then normal with his stack imo relative to bu/sb/bb stacks to i like jamming, if you flat, i'd be calling once on most ax boards and low boards and reevaluating

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08-24-2017 , 07:36 AM

wowsooooted

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Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 5,077

nh, 4b/f is pretty bad

we are 48/52 vs 99+,AK

I think I would flat my entire range of JJ+ and rejam AK

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08-24-2017 , 07:51 AM

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daviid

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Originally Posted by wowsooooted

I think I would flat my entire range of JJ+ and rejam AK

wouldnt it make more sense to rejam our entire range then?

given the action i dont think we need flats in our range at all. dont see anything wrong with playing a pretty tight range in general in this spot and just jam or fold. TT/AQo would probably be the bottom of my jamming range here although it could even be better to not gii with TT.

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08-24-2017 , 07:55 AM

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wowsooooted

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defntly never jamming KK,AA or possibly even QQ. If we give utg 4 options instead of 2 hes much more likely to make a big mistake against us for alot of chips

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08-24-2017 , 08:06 AM

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daviid

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Originally Posted by wowsooooted

defntly never jamming KK,AA or possibly even QQ. If we give utg 4 options instead of 2 hes much more likely to make a big mistake against us for alot of chips

while i somewhat agree with that, it seems super easy to play against someone who only jams stuff that he does not want to go postflop with. now even if we sort of disregard balancing our range(s) properly in that spot (which i wouldnt recommend at all) given your range for jamming {AK} and your range for flatting {JJ-AA} including at least some hands from the flatting range into the jamming range has to be super profitable, right? if jamming looks weakest (which you basically say when you only jam AK in that spot) we should probably jam reasonably wide for value.

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08-24-2017 , 08:34 AM

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wowsooooted

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yea but we protect our flatting range the times we have to with 88-JJ,AJ/AQ buy doing it with hands we c/c too like QQ-AA. If we contsruct a flatting range then we have to have some c/f and c/c.

At these stakes I dont think population would exploit this, if we only jam AK then so what im at the bad end of a flip anyway so im happy to see him fold 88-JJ.

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08-24-2017 , 08:47 AM

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daviid

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i guess i cant get behind why you want to have a reasonably well balanced flatting range and put that as kind of a top priority and then have a jamming range that couldn't be less balanced.

also i think flatting AQ/JJ and folding it to a jam is burning money.

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08-24-2017 , 08:59 AM

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wowsooooted

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the reason I want a really well balanced flatting range is as I mentioned we give v much more options pre than call or fold. We have the button and v has to act first on every street. Lets use our skill advantage and take it postflop and own him.

Could be burning some ev sure but im prepared to give up some of this to pass marginal spots and bring our skill edge into play

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