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I can dodge bullets, baby.. Or am I an idiot from nothern Europe? I can dodge bullets, baby.. Or am I an idiot from nothern Europe?

11-28-2016 , 09:05 PM
So the question is simple: what to do? MP1 has 19/14 for 37 hands. SB has 21/17 and 3-bet of 6 for 47 hands. But now forget about SB and focus on MP1. If we shove and he calls, we have smth about 41% against him in best case (but I'd rather choose 36-37%). That is enough if we estimate our equity as 43% in the pot with MP1. Plus some not zero FE makes it close for me to shove here. But on the other side we have some people behind, we have some chips to play with and we have a hand that plays postflop (sometimes..). I played it as I played it, but maybe threre is a clear answer, which everybody knows and I don't. Would appreciate your help.



    Poker Stars, $2 Buy-in (150/300 blinds, 40 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37528384

    BTN: 9,627 (32.1 bb)
    SB: 24,620 (82.1 bb)
    BB: 9,018 (30.1 bb)
    UTG+1: 6,290 (21 bb)
    UTG+2: 20,225 (67.4 bb)
    MP1: 8,922 (29.7 bb)
    MP2: 10,950 (36.5 bb)
    MP3: 15,231 (50.8 bb)
    Hero (CO): 6,074 (20.2 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with 9 9
    2 folds, MP1 raises to 900, 2 folds, Hero calls 900, BTN folds, SB raises to 24,580 and is all-in, BB folds, MP1 calls 7,982 and is all-in, Hero folds

    Flop: (19,324) J 6 9 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
    Turn: (19,324) T (2 players, 2 are all-in)
    River: (19,324) 6 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: 19,324 pot
    Final Board: J 6 9 T 6
    SB showed J J and won 19,324 (10,402 net)
    MP1 showed K K and lost (-8,922 net)



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    11-29-2016 , 12:23 AM
    Well played. Depending on reads you might wanna raise your 99 preflop. I would fold them if someone shoves for 82bb. Most of the time people shove that amount with JJ or AK, hands they do not trust themselfs with postflop. There is no need to flip while you have a stack to work with. Happy fold, next hand please.
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    11-29-2016 , 03:33 AM
    The full 3x is something that throws us off here. Yes we have 99 but I guess it now comes down to the stats of villain. Do we want to flat/raise /shove. flatting doesnt really look like a bad idea bc allot of the time well see a flop headsup IP. But shoving also cant be awfull. My personal read on randoms Who 3x tend to do such with their top range. But on the other hand could be Just doing that with 89s I guess. They are kinda polarized. So then we like to flat and keep their weaker hands in and dont stack off against aces. As played easy fold imo.wp
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    11-29-2016 , 03:59 AM
    I think I'd jam over the open and fold to the jam once OR calls I think.
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    11-29-2016 , 04:21 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by killer_kill
    I think I'd jam over the open and fold to the jam once OR calls I think.
    Yeah I am jamming over original raiser with 20bb. You could argue that flatting is a good option too but no one left to act have really small stacks that can scare us of rejamming.

    As played I am folding when sb jams and MP1 calls.

    Think this is a pretty easy fold after the action.
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    11-29-2016 , 03:06 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by killer_kill
    I think I'd jam over the open and fold to the jam once OR calls I think.
    This
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    11-30-2016 , 01:21 AM
    jamming makes no sense with 20bb. as played is totally fine.
    you have to call here 99 is to strong to fold, to weak to 3bet with 20bb
    to weak to call another 3bet all in and a call

    best case you play against 3-4 overcards you get a good EV then but youre out of the tournament most of the time so tournament this isnt an option since we want to survive first, get fat second.

    so no, this is a no brainer, flat call/fold was the only option
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    11-30-2016 , 01:23 AM
    btw sorry this wasnt a bullet, its a middleish holding, no reason to get married to it.
    its a standard play to let them go and play em defensivne as a low to mid stack
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    12-01-2016 , 06:35 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by clueless
    jamming makes no sense with 20bb. as played is totally fine.

    you have to call here 99 is to strong to fold, to weak to 3bet with 20bb

    to weak to call another 3bet all in and a call



    best case you play against 3-4 overcards you get a good EV then but youre out of the tournament most of the time so tournament this isnt an option since we want to survive first, get fat second.



    so no, this is a no brainer, flat call/fold was the only option


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    12-04-2016 , 10:04 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Puzo
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    12-04-2016 , 12:47 PM
    I think I am re shipping 99 here for 20 BB's, can't set mine with this stack. I am folding to the SB re ship though.
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    12-04-2016 , 05:34 PM
    Hero has 20bb and some of you are advocating calling a 3x raise with a hand that will be difficult to play postflop? This is clearly a shove or fold situation. Calling there is terrible tourney play.


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    12-05-2016 , 07:52 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Darth_Maul
    Hero has 20bb and some of you are advocating calling a 3x raise with a hand that will be difficult to play postflop? This is clearly a shove or fold situation. Calling there is terrible tourney play.


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    29 bb and ip. Not so difficult, shoving 29bb with 99 is actually horrible imo
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    12-05-2016 , 08:47 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DutchCourage
    29 bb and ip. Not so difficult, shoving 29bb with 99 is actually horrible imo
    You're looking at the wrong stack. Hero has 20bb in CO.
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    12-05-2016 , 08:48 AM
    Oh sry my bad. Squeezing happily here.
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    12-05-2016 , 02:35 PM
    Anytime the your stack size is roughly 3-6x the size of the pot we should be looking for opportunities to reshove. Against an MP open range there is no reason why we wouldn't be shoving 99 here, as at worst we're 40% if we get called and may get the bottom of their range to fold.

    Yes, we have some players yet to act but the likelihood they have a premium range they'd be willing to call or rejam with is pretty small.

    Calling is a mess because our opponents can barrel most flops with overcards and then we're kinda screwed. We also price in the blinds to call with all sorts of stuff. No 3-bet size other than shoving makes sense.

    If we were much deeper stacked, we'd be flatting this all day and twice on Sunday to set mine and we really don't want to get blown off the hand with a 4-bet.

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    12-06-2016 , 11:43 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by clueless
    jamming makes no sense with 20bb. as played is totally fine.
    you have to call here 99 is to strong to fold, to weak to 3bet with 20bb
    to weak to call another 3bet all in and a call

    best case you play against 3-4 overcards you get a good EV then but youre out of the tournament most of the time so tournament this isnt an option since we want to survive first, get fat second.

    so no, this is a no brainer, flat call/fold was the only option
    Your hand doesn't play well post flop even in position. You have great equity vs their opening range are plenty happy to take it down pre. Why do you think we should survive at 150/300 level in a 2 dollar mtt? We have 20 blinds and a pretty good hand given our stack.

    What're you doing on overcard flops and MP1 bets into you? I ask this since you shouldn't fold flops with single overcards if you're flatting pre.
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