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How to play JJ in this spot How to play JJ in this spot

07-30-2017 , 06:34 AM
PokerStars - 80/160 Ante 24 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 36.87 BB (VPIP: 34.78, PFR: 8.70, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 23)
UTG: 53.5 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 4.35, Hands: 49)
UTG+1: 52.34 BB (VPIP: 26.92, PFR: 12.00, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 26)
Hero (MP): 56.31 BB
MP+1: 35.12 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
CO: 20.61 BB (VPIP: 40.91, PFR: 20.45, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 44)
BTN: 81.04 BB (VPIP: 27.66, PFR: 12.77, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 48)
SB: 28.95 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 10.87, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 48)

8 players post ante of 0.15 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.7 BB) Hero has J J

UTG raises to 2.5 BB, fold, Hero calls 2.5 BB, fold, fold, BTN calls 2.5 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (10.2 BB, 3 players) 7 2 T
UTG bets 5.61 BB, Hero raises to 12.47 BB, fold, UTG calls 6.86 BB

Turn: (35.15 BB, 2 players) 6
UTG checks, Hero checks

River: (35.15 BB, 2 players) 5
UTG bets 38.37 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 38.37 BB

Spoiler:
UTG shows 6 5 (Two Pair, Sixes and Fives)
(Pre 22%, Flop 33%, Turn 30%)
Hero shows J J (One Pair, Jacks)
(Pre 78%, Flop 67%, Turn 70%)
UTG wins 111.9 BB


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I reckon now that I didnt raise enough on flop but what else should be done differently. Or maybe raise there with intention on folding when he comes over the top is not good plan?
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07-30-2017 , 09:34 AM
What was your plan forthis hand when you just flat call pre flop? if the board comes with AK2, would you fold?

Even thought, as played, you should not call the river with just a pair.
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07-30-2017 , 09:48 AM
Better to reraise pre. You've got loose passive players behind you so you're getting into a tough spot when you just flat and they overcall. If villain 4bets you can see the flop in position.


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07-30-2017 , 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Alexdspoker
What was your plan forthis hand when you just flat call pre flop? if the board comes with AK2, would you fold?

Even thought, as played, you should not call the river with just a pair.
Plan was to fold if he shows aggression, he hasn't open much, PFR 8%, so this board AK2 hits he's range pretty well.

Not sure about the call yep, there was just so many combos that i can beat, he maybe overvalues AT or tries to bluff with missed cards. I removed QQ+ from hes range when he just called on the flop, only thing that got there was 8h9h, so one combo, or maybe unsuited 89 also, maybe he would play TT,77,22 like that also but i would assume he go's all in with those also on the flop. Cant come up with much value that will reach this spot.
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07-30-2017 , 12:02 PM
I don't mind the pre call and playing small ball. Would probably take any number of lines. Call flop. Call turn. Fold river. Or as played bet fold turn and check back river because by then we have a psb and his calling range is greater than your jacks. As played yeah folding river ....
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07-31-2017 , 01:01 AM
Really dislike the check on turn as played.
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07-31-2017 , 03:49 AM
I'd 3bet pre. As played, maybe raise bigger on flop and bet turn. Looking at the sizings, a bigger flop bet would mean you could put him all in on turn.
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07-31-2017 , 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Brogias
Really dislike the check on turn as played.
yeah, it was a mistake
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07-31-2017 , 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by JustinDMoney
I'd 3bet pre. As played, maybe raise bigger on flop and bet turn. Looking at the sizings, a bigger flop bet would mean you could put him all in on turn.

yep, flop bet was def little bit small
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07-31-2017 , 04:34 PM
Flatting pre is fine. Don't like the flop raise.


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07-31-2017 , 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Captain-Hindsight
Flatting pre is fine.

Why?



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07-31-2017 , 04:47 PM
Because we'd hate to get 4 bet and we're facing an utg raise by a tight player.


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08-01-2017 , 08:16 PM
Flat pre flat flop and fold river. You have Jh to block most of his flush draws to miss.
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08-01-2017 , 09:32 PM
flop raise is rly spewy and accomplishes very little. not that many Tx combos in his range and having the Jh in our hand is also a rly bad card to have. you get value from so few hands by raising the flop so def just call. as played no idea, i dont get into that spot. pre is kinda whatever, id probably prefer 3betting as well and have JJ as the bottom of my gii range but that might be a tad too lose against a 14/8 or from utg.
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08-02-2017 , 02:19 AM
In no way is a call preflop okay. 3b this 100% of the time and flat standard 4b unless it's a shove. We are 50 BBs deep people. We have no idea how strong Villians hand is with an 8% PFR on 49 hands unless we 3b.
If Villian calls 3b and leads flop on an Axx, Kxx, Qxx board, we fold. We cbet a check on the flop on any of those boards, fold to a c/r and then check down on T/R if cbet is called.

Piece of cake
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08-02-2017 , 03:55 AM
Im not in the reraising pre is a must camp especially against such a nitty player raising from UTG he is playing 14/8/4.

flatcalling is probably better, Flop i would just flat the cbet. Could've bet turn around 30-40% if he checks to us after we flat flop with intentions to fold to a x/r. Possibly get a free showdown or be able to make a nice laydown on the river if he donks big depending on runouts;

as played i like the check on the turn because he could be setting a trap with his overpairs/sets which is around 20% of his pf raising range (gave him 12% utg range 122 combos pf) We can't discount overpairs just because he flatted our raise on the flop, i see alot of these guys try to check/raise turns in these spots to try and get max value thru 2 streets definately cant discount them out of his range.

On the river i think we have to fold against this line. Its hard to come up with many bluffs he could have that take this line aside from missed hearts. and shoving those doesn't seem like the best play. I don't think his Tx hands take this line and even if he did this with ATs,KTs,QTs, and all his missed flushes it would be close to a breakeven call vs the range i gave him

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08-02-2017 , 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by IMissYouPS
In no way is a call preflop okay. 3b this 100% of the time and flat standard 4b unless it's a shove. We are 50 BBs deep people. We have no idea how strong Villians hand is with an 8% PFR on 49 hands unless we 3b.

If Villian calls 3b and leads flop on an Axx, Kxx, Qxx board, we fold. We cbet a check on the flop on any of those boards, fold to a c/r and then check down on T/R if cbet is called.



Piece of cake


why would you want to cbet any of those boards you mentioned? if we are going to butcher that hard postflop by cbetting way too much, we should probably get as much money in pre as possible and pray.
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08-02-2017 , 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by daviid
why would you want to cbet any of those boards you mentioned? if we are going to butcher that hard postflop by cbetting way too much, we should probably get as much money in pre as possible and pray.
Bc we 3b pre and that smacks our range right in the face? What flops are you cbetting?
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08-02-2017 , 07:51 PM
Call pre otb is best. 3b is ok.

Flat flop. Why on earth raise?

After flop raise all future decisions are hellish.



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08-02-2017 , 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by IMissYouPS
Bc we 3b pre and that smacks our range right in the face? What flops are you cbetting?


why would you cbet JJ in a 3b pot on a AKx flop? what worse hands call? what better hands fold?
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08-03-2017 , 02:39 AM
flat, flat call, again just flatting and then just flat
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08-03-2017 , 03:30 AM
how to play JJ?

Spoiler:
Just flat!
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