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Hot 7.50 river shove very early what to do? Hot 7.50 river shove very early what to do?

11-27-2016 , 06:46 PM
No stats but i have seen the guy play a few hands and he seems hyper aggresive.

The 3 bet is questionable I guess but i really feel like i have the best hand and I feel like i want to punish his wide open.

Pretty good flop not really that scared and I bet for value on flop and turn. Not really scared of the river and I feel like it's a good spot to give him the chance to bluff some 1 pair hands or miss flussed draws as again i think he's super agro.

He shoves which i don't like but i decide to follow my plan Thoughts?



No Limit Hold'em Tournament T25/T50
Buy-in: $6.82+$0.68 USD Hold'em No Limit
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9 players
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Stacks:
UTG - UTG (T5.371)
UTG+1 - UTG+1 (T4.661)
UTG+2 - UTG+2 (T7.034)
MP - MP (T4.791)
MP2 - MP2 (T4.781)
CO - CO (T4.460)
BTN - BTN (T6.916)
SB - Hero (T4.651)
BB - BB (T3.252)

Preflop: (T129, 9 players) Hero is SB with 8c As
6 folds, BTN raises to T142, Hero raises to T345, 1 fold, BTN calls T203

Flop: Ah 6h 9c (T794, 2 players - BTN: T6.565, Hero: T4.300)
Hero bets T301, BTN calls T301

Turn: Qd (T1.396, 2 players - BTN: T6.264, Hero: T3.999)
Hero bets T530, BTN calls T530

River: 5d (T2.456, 2 players - BTN: T5.734, Hero: T3.469)
Hero checks, BTN bets T5.734 (all-in), Hero calls T3.469 (all-in), Uncalled bet of T2.265 returned to BTN

Total Pot: T9.394
BTN shows 5h 6s (two pair, Sixes and Fives)
Hero shows 8c As (a pair of Aces)

BTN wins T9.394
Hot 7.50 river shove very early what to do? Quote
11-27-2016 , 07:32 PM
Don't 3-b pre, but if you do make it bigger - your bets postflop should be bigger as well.

I don't mind your riverplay, we block 87 and everything else busted
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11-27-2016 , 08:13 PM
Your decision pre comes down to is he good_Aggro or spewtard. If he's good aggro u need to shelve Your ego and fold preflop rather than battle him OOP.

If he's bad aggro I guess u can raise but flatting and folding are still options. You can wait one more hand before punishing his loose ness

River is Whatever... if u think he can bomb rivers, but our hand is pretty face up, not many players will try move us off top pair


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11-27-2016 , 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Panny1

I don't mind your riverplay, we block 87 and everything else busted
Wait what?

3-bet pre with unsuited weak A is usually really bad, especially OOP. C-bet is ok but opponent definitely has better aces in his range.
As played Turn is also close but I would continue to bet vs most fishy players I guess and sizing seems fine.

River call seems terrible - you don't beat anything and regularly making these calls is just burning $$$.
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11-27-2016 , 09:26 PM
I mean with his hyper aggro style I don't expect him to have a better ace much of the time.

I would normally never take this line. However my "read" was this guy is crasy agro and I 3bet him early to take the pot down and i'm thinking i'm just good if I hit an ace against him and the flop looks reasonable.

I mean what are we really thinking is a reasonable river shove here if he had a good hand wouldn't he raise the turn and try to get value if i had an ace? I guess he could have 78 but apart from that hand i have a hard time seeing how that 5 helps a reasonable range of hands.

Maybe i shouldn't get involved with such a hand in the first place idk.
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11-28-2016 , 03:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Whia
Maybe i shouldn't get involved with such a hand in the first place idk.
Spot on.
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11-28-2016 , 04:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Whia
I mean with his hyper aggro style I don't expect him to have a better ace much of the time.

I would normally never take this line. However my "read" was this guy is crasy agro and I 3bet him early to take the pot down and i'm thinking i'm just good if I hit an ace against him and the flop looks reasonable.

I mean what are we really thinking is a reasonable river shove here if he had a good hand wouldn't he raise the turn and try to get value if i had an ace? I guess he could have 78 but apart from that hand i have a hard time seeing how that 5 helps a reasonable range of hands.

Maybe i shouldn't get involved with such a hand in the first place idk.
If you had a read then go with it. No one in this thread was on your table or seen anything crazy. They just took ur word that he was aggro.

But if u wanted to click back u need to go larger on each street and the fold river because I don't think he shoves in this spot often as a bluff.

But against a typical ABC opponent, fold pre. OOP against a 2.5x is a no go.
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11-28-2016 , 07:48 AM
ok. so if you have a read on villain being hyperagressive OR very loose. flat pre if hes hyper agr. and 3.2x 3bet preflop. Your 3bet is to small. villain now had good odds to see a flop IP with allot of his holdings. i like your flopbet of slightly more than 1/3 pot. but are you really getting 3 streets of value with this hand? maybe its more optimal to check turn to potcontrol and keeping your range wide. As played your range is very Ax heavy. so by checking you will underrep your hand (in combination with your small flop cbet). now you will give Villain some rope to 'hang' himself.

river is tough. its like whatever. i would lean against folding. bc we will have a stck to work with. and we have position on villain. if hes really a spewtard we will get a chance to double against him.
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11-28-2016 , 07:58 AM
Don't like preflop at all, I'd just fold, but if you are to 3b go larger as others have said. Your line indicates that you think he's so sticky as to float you twice or call down with a worse hand two streets here which make me think A8o just isn't a hand at all you want to battle this guy with OOP.

I'd start with a check on the flop AP, although don't think it matters too much. AP check turn, don't really get what these bets are accomplishing, and AP fold river. This sizing is gonna be a good hand more often than not at these stakes in general, go ahead and call if you've seen that V is capable of bluffing here, most players won't be.

Don't post spoilers.
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11-28-2016 , 03:13 PM
If he is bad aggro you are in a great position to take advantage - so why go to war with a so-so hand on the one time in an orbit when you are oop? wait until you have a hand in position.
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