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06-27-2016 , 06:08 AM

Marecki

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 419

Poker Stars, $2 Buy-in (100,000/200,000 blinds, 25,000 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Hero (SB): 3,412,528 (17.1 bb)
BB: 3,352,431 (16.8 bb)
MP1: 4,365,152 (21.8 bb)
MP2: 1,056,604 (5.3 bb)
MP3: 7,843,975 (39.2 bb)
CO: 4,330,716 (21.7 bb)
BTN: 1,078,594 (5.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J

3 folds, CO raises to 400,000, BTN folds, Hero calls 300,000, BB calls 200,000

Flop: (1,375,000) A

(3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, CO bets 499,999, Hero calls 499,999, BB raises to 1,937,497, 2 folds

Payouts:

BB was fishy and aggressive towards me during that final table but I don't think he would shove anything worse than a top pair there.

Anyone wants to do calculations? Or maybe you'd play differently on preflop?

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06-27-2016 , 07:05 AM

Glaciem

old hand

Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 1,830

What was CO?

Tight aggressive?

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06-27-2016 , 09:04 AM

KillDaLimper

centurion

Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 106

I'd gamble there.

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06-27-2016 , 09:25 AM

Glaciem

old hand

Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 1,830

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Originally Posted by KillDaLimper

I'd gamble there.

I think thats the wrong play.

lets put a range on the bb of a raggy Ax thats why he didn't shove pre but is willing to gii post flop.

If villain has A3 we have 30% chance of winning, if he has A2-9 (Minus 3) we're flipping.

So to jam over the top is marginally ev+ when CO folds. The slight advantage is negated when we have two stacks on 5bb with one facing the blinds in two hands. Since they're so low we have a very strong chance to ladder two places for an extra 180 dollars.

So with ICM its a fold. I'd rather not cripple myself on a hopeful 50% when two extremely short stacks are at our table.

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06-27-2016 , 01:05 PM

Raistlyn M

journeyman

Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 254

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Originally Posted by Marecki

BB was fishy and aggressive towards me during that final table

I'd say 3b jam pre or fold pre because you're trying to out last those two 5 bb stacks. Both have strong merits.

Flatting will often result in you playing 3 ways oop with almost a 1-1 stack to pot ratio if you call a cbet and make it to the turn. Or this happens. Doesn't sound great based on the table dynamic and your opponent.

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06-28-2016 , 06:28 AM

furo

deviation of equilibrium

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 29,639

As played dont fold. Odds are way too good that you will win a huge pot.

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06-28-2016 , 06:50 AM

Glaciem

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Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 1,830

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Originally Posted by furo

As played dont fold. Odds are way too good that you will win a huge pot.

Even with the two 5bb stacks??

We're only flipping here, do we not need to consider ICM.

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06-28-2016 , 07:16 AM

Marecki

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 419

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Originally Posted by Glaciem

What was CO?

Tight aggressive?

Yup, seemed like TAG.
I think I'm still towards folding it. Thanks for your thoughts.

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06-28-2016 , 07:41 AM

Glaciem

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Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 1,830

What about a 3bet or jam over the top pre?

He is folding so much of his range there.

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06-28-2016 , 11:57 AM

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Marecki

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Currently I don't own HRC licence to can't check but I'm pretty sure it would have negative $EV

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06-29-2016 , 02:49 AM

#11

Glaciem

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But he has to be folding a huge percentage of his range due to ICM.

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06-29-2016 , 03:41 AM

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MacAnRi

centurion

Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 121

Even against made sets we have 34~ % equity and vs TPTK we are flipping.. anything else we are dominating (6s7s, for example)

would be a great spot and puts you in the driving seat to take it down. I call

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06-30-2016 , 11:10 PM

#13

oldskool87

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Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 843

We could go with a jam pre if the big blind is call happy. Also I would tend to 3bet jam over the cbet post flop aswell and put pressure on the CO since we just hit a flop we like. As played I'd call the odds are too juicy at this point

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07-01-2016 , 11:02 AM

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WH1T3D4WG

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Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 17

ok so flops like meh you cant fold i guess or why call pre. my main question is why call pre. is this a viable option with 17bb would love and answer of an established player

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07-10-2016 , 02:26 PM

#15

TDeuce

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Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 12

OP - Question, what is the worst flop/hand you would gii with in this spot? Change the As to the Qs, or change the Ts to a Kx, would you get in in there? My point is you flopped probably the best possible hand besides a pair here and if the flop spot is questionable I have to believe the preflop spot is equally questionable. I would be 3b or folding pre here with the two cripple stacks present.

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07-10-2016 , 06:07 PM

#16

TexasGoon

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Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 23

I'm calling 100% of the time. Yes are beat here probably 80% of the time and we are drawing to the nuts with every thing here. I say call and hope for Q or spade on turn.

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07-13-2016 , 04:55 AM

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Marecki

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Originally Posted by TDeuce

I'd 100% gii if I had OESD + FD here. Probably also if the flop came Ts9sx etc.
And yes, now I see this preflop call questionable but tbh I didn't know what should I do there with 2 5bb stacks remaining. Just gotta study some ICM and I'll play better next time.

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07-13-2016 , 01:43 PM

#18

RichnChips

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Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 30

I am folding here. Look at the payouts. We are behind the majority of the time, but still have enough to make a stab.

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07-13-2016 , 03:28 PM

#19

jpgiro

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Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 1,442

As played, calling the shove is borderline ICM play. If you think you're 40% to win the pot it's about a wash.

With 2 small stacks folding KJ in that spot is probably best ICM play.

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07-13-2016 , 11:28 PM

#20

TDeuce

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Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 12

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Originally Posted by Marecki

Yep, fair enough. It's a sticky spot for sure.

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