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07-02-2013 , 11:11 AM
Hello guys,

I would appreciate it if someone could give me a good answer.

You are hand for hand for the final table in a 20 dollars MTT, first place pays 9890$ and you are dealt AKo on the BB.
A player under the gun goes all in with a stack of 15B, the button goes all in as well for 24 BB and its your turn to act with a stack of 25 BB.

What do you do? You call or fold?

Thanks in advance\
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07-02-2013 , 12:02 PM
out of interest how has the table been playing what is your position in the comp with 25 bb ?
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07-02-2013 , 02:40 PM
My friend I think I was 4th something like that... What do u think?
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07-02-2013 , 02:48 PM
Easy fold. Why flip vs 2?
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07-02-2013 , 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by parttimegrind
Easy fold. Why flip vs 2?
because u are tripling your risk with 40% odds, if you don't have one player dominated and flipping against the other.
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07-02-2013 , 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by kvnd
because u are tripling your risk with 40% odds, if you don't have one player dominated and flipping against the other.
So in a tournament you like to call when a shortstack shoves and a equal stack overshoves with ak, on ft bubble?

I hope you are at my tables.
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07-02-2013 , 05:11 PM
Bit of an awkward spot to be honest. Couldn't give you the right answer.
I think it's a fold given that opponents tend to be very tight at this stage in the MTT.
I'll wait for some more input though.
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07-02-2013 , 05:23 PM
Some more info on opponents and other stack sizes would help. With no other info, I would say BTN range is TT+ and AK. He must be super strong to re shove over a very strong looking UTG shove. I'm folding.
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07-02-2013 , 07:14 PM
I really don't know what UTG is shipping there with 15BB's. Just weird. Perhaps 88, 99, TT, JJ, AQ, AK or something? Can't imagine he's open shoving QQ+ there, but then again he might just be playing superscared.
I think this is a fold given that BU has a super tight range here. I'd probably fold AQ on BU if UTG isn't a spewtard.
Folding seems best here...
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07-02-2013 , 07:24 PM
Eh, grunt fold I guess. Hard to give an accurate response without knowing table dynamics and reads on UTG & Button.

If button was laggy I'd consider calling. What were the rough payouts?
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07-03-2013 , 06:44 AM
Thank you guys for your respond.

We agree. I fold as well. In fact, I fold and they showed 66 the UG and AQ. i WOULD CATCH a king on the turn. It really hurt me....busting two players and becoming almost chip leader at an 8 handed table. NOOOOooo
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07-03-2013 , 07:18 AM
Call readless
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07-03-2013 , 08:50 AM
Might've been a call then with certain reads, but I would def. toss 66 15BB deep UTG and feel like the AQ rejam is pretty thin as well. Definitely the bottom of buttons range there.
Still think you made an okay fold.
Opinions are somewhat divided here though, so I can't say for sure.
Usually when stuff like this happens I'm pissed and feel like I made a mistake, just to bust out in another MTT, where UTG jams AK 15BB deep, BU rejams KK and I overcall with AK or something like that.
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07-04-2013 , 05:59 AM
Play the long game, fold. Why risk everything when your not certain you'll be ahead? Look for a better spot.
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07-04-2013 , 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by V-Delaney
Call readless
Calling too, and thinking it's standard. Do think it's a good fold, after all the action. It's so close.
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07-04-2013 , 07:49 AM
think its a fold being 4th in chips in huge field tourney unless payouts are really top heavy.

post payout structure.
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07-04-2013 , 08:26 AM
Would call QQ or better fullring
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07-04-2013 , 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by furo
Would call QQ or better fullring
Yeah, it's prolly 5handed, guess that makes it a call.
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07-04-2013 , 11:16 AM
There's a lot of silliness in this thread.

Easy peasy super ABC level A call.
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07-04-2013 , 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by parttimegrind
So in a tournament you like to call when a shortstack shoves and a equal stack overshoves with ak, on ft bubble?

I hope you are at my tables.
We have the AK blocker$ a chance to triple up and go into the ft as chip leader to win this tournament? You just wanna make the final table so you can tell your mother you did so?
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07-04-2013 , 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by nonsimplesimon
We have the AK blocker$ a chance to triple up and go into the ft as chip leader to win this tournament? You just wanna make the final table so you can tell your mother you did so?
You aren't tripling up.

You are 100% flipping for tournament like with ak offsuit. Someone has a pair.
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07-04-2013 , 04:41 PM
I much prefer folding here but it depends how much you want/need a money jump and it's never nice to bubble an FT. Personally though i don't think you're ever crushing your opponents and you're always flipping which isn't necessary when you 25BB and better spots are going to come up.

A few more factors are to take into account which are if you think you have an edge over the remaining field and feel comfortable trying to spin up 25BB's and take control of the FT. Also if you don't feel like you have an edge and are purposely looking for spots to gamble so that you have a much more solid stack then i'd call because it's unlikely you'll be completely crushed in this spot. I think this decision mainly depends on whether the money jump matters and if you have an edge on the field, simply because it's such a close spot that they are the only factors which help you make the decision that's right for you.
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07-04-2013 , 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by nonsimplesimon
There's a lot of silliness in this thread.

Easy peasy super ABC level A call.
Without looking at this hand and being results orientated, what range would you put a UTG 15BB jam on and what range would you give BU who rejams?
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07-05-2013 , 01:20 AM
My default gii here is for starters QQ+ AK (and that's tight). If you can't gamble it up late in tournaments then quit and go back to video games.
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07-05-2013 , 09:46 PM
you have 25BB. You know you are at best flipping. Why the hell would you flip with 25bb left? Thats pure ******edness.
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