£35 local live tourney £1.5k GTD.

Villain - loose passive player, ATC type. Called a 3x raise from the BB w/ 93o and was furious when his two pair was counterfeited on the river vs an obvious over pair.

Hero - not long been at table shown down Top two pair a couple of hands ago.

OTTH

Blinds 400/800

Hero UTG KQ (68k) raises to 2000
Villain (55k), HJ, BU, SB and BB call

Flop (10,000) 456
Blinds check, hero checks, Villain bets 4,000, HJ folds, BU calls, Hero calls.

Turn 4(22,000)
Hero bets 12,000, villain calls, BU folds.

River Q (46,000)
Hero???

Not sure whether to go for value here or just go into check/call mode given that villain's range could include a lot of boats? Thoughts?

Gotta shove. He called with the counterfeited two pair, right?

leading turn does not make a lot of sense. would x/c turn and river depending on sizing. could argue for checkraising somewhere if he sizes super small but generally just x/c.

No, he bet the river and was called. (not sure if he thought he was value betting or bluffing).

Interesting, my thought process is that I thought it would be terrible if it checks through because there are a lot of bad cards for my hand and I could be missing out on value from lower flushes/straights/trips. Obvs I value cut myself to boats but I think there is less combos of these.

Would you lead the turn on a non-paired diamond?

i dont think id be leading anything on any turn too much after x/calling flop because its going to be extremely unbalanced i think. which bluffs would you x/c flop and lead turn with in that spot? now the board pairing on the turn def makes it even less attractive to lead flushes, esp when you cannot have a boat and villain can have every single boat/quads combo.

look at it from this perspective, the board def favors your opponents, especially after x/calling flop. you want to have some hands that you can somewhat comfortably x/c down with for three streets and KQdd is one of those. you will surely x/c some (maybe even many) overpairs in that spot that you will usually have to fold to three barrels. so if you include KQdd in your x/c range otf and ott you wont be too worried anymore when you are getting barrelled and have sth like TT because you know that TT is actually near the bottom of your range for getting to the turn like that and therefore an easy fold.

Why check the flop? Bet/bet/jam.

Jam river as played.

Yeah definitely in theory, not sure against this villain though.


Just noticed it's 3way. Reads on btn?

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Reads on BU is he is a competent player but squeezes too often post-flop (granted the fish at the local casino fold to it far too often). So as he just flats the flop I put him on low pair/straight draw... Another reason why I thought I could extract value with a turn lead.

I understand why you guys advocate x/c'ing on the turn and river and thinking about it now, this would always be my play online, however, against these players live, I just feel like I could be missing out on so much value if both the turn and river check through.

always going for value here. Madness to not bet the 2nut flush

Completely agree with this

this, defntly have to be aggressive and take the initiative otf with our hand. Vs this guy range the amount of hands that beat us is a really small %, if he has it we usually have to pay off and re-reg.

There seems to be divided opinions on checking and betting on all streets here.

While I agree with the logic behind both methods, I can't help but disagree with both at certain points.

I like checking flop against multiple opponents as we don't want to have to bet fold surely?

However, I don't like checking all the way because as mentioned I feel like we would be missing a lot of value if it checks through.

Could much be argued for this line: check/calling flop, check/calling turn but then firing on all safe rivers (no fourth diamond or double pair)? This being a combination of both suggested lines?

I understand against the villain in question but we would be betting into 5 people on the flop. Risk getting blown off our equity or having a tricky decision on the spot, potentially oop? Think I like c/c, c/c.

flop x/c proly is good, then would x/c again turn for the reasons daviid mentioned.

If V checks back turn would bet river, if he bets turn proly x/c river again

Yeah, I am definitely on board with this.

Thanks to everyone for your feedback!

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