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Old 05-24-2012, 12:39 PM   #1
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FT $8.80 Turbo QQ spot

Ok, three players left I have just recently doubled off the villain (BB) and now I have QQ BvB against him. Stats I have on the guy over 71 hands; VPIP 46 / PR 36 and I'm pretty sure at the FT he was playing even more hands than that. At the time I thought it was a clear fold as he is quite capable of having anything from two pair to straights/flushes. However, i was just wondering is there a chance i'm just being pushed around by the big stack? or is this just essentially an unfortunate spot where I have to fold? Would it be fair to say that he has me dead here more than 50% of the time? Is there much I should/could have down differently? smaller flop bet/check? I also took into consideration that he folds to a cbet on the flop 50% of the time which was a clear indicator that he at least had something. First time i've posted a hand history so if I'm not giving enough info or have posted a completely pointless hand let me know. cheers





    Poker Stars, $8 Buy-in (12,500/25,000 blinds, 3,125 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 3 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12967621

    BB: 835,166 (33.4 bb)
    BTN: 1,006,167 (40.2 bb)
    Hero (SB): 536,667 (21.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with Q Q
    BTN folds, Hero raises to 52,750, BB calls 27,750

    Flop: (114,875) 8 7 4 (2 players)
    Hero bets 74,668, BB calls 74,668

    Turn: (264,211) 6 (2 players)
    Hero checks, BB bets 150,000, Hero folds

    Results: 264,211 pot
    Final Board: 8 7 4 6
    BB mucked and won 264,211 (133,668 net)
    Hero mucked Q Q and lost (-130,543 net)



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    Old 05-24-2012, 01:25 PM   #2
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    Re: FT $8.80 Turbo QQ spot

    More pre oop esp if he flats a lot.
    Less otf.
    B/f turn yourself.
    Checking you let him rape you a lot.
    Check/shove can be good if he was floating a ton of hands otf.
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    Old 05-24-2012, 02:17 PM   #3
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    Re: FT $8.80 Turbo QQ spot

    sizing pre is completely fine imo
    I'd also go less otf and probably b/f turn.
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    Old 05-24-2012, 06:28 PM   #4
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    Re: FT $8.80 Turbo QQ spot

    i like more pre and less otf and im not sure i can let this go 21bb eff and we are not even the second stack so icm is not a huge factor
    the board is so wet i wander why we fold he doesn't have a set he 3bets it pre
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    Old 05-24-2012, 07:30 PM   #5
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    Re: FT $8.80 Turbo QQ spot

    pre looks good,nice sizing.
    OTF maybe i wanna bet less just about 60k and OTT i wanna b/f imo
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    Old 05-25-2012, 12:07 AM   #6
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    thanks for the thoughts. on reflection I think a little smaller otf and a bet/fold ott would have worked out better; i actually hate the check ott the more i think about it ( even more so considering a very similar circumstance arose today ). at the time i do certainly think i over estimated my position/likelihood of finishing better than 3rd, which also affected my choice to fold.
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    Old 05-25-2012, 02:53 AM   #7
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    Re: FT $8.80 Turbo QQ spot

    I don't really know if I like betting the turn.
    If he isn't capable of floating like it seems it just comes down to whether he will turn hands into bluffs (maybe without knowing it).
    Overall I am fine with c/f vs him when he uses this sizing
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    Old 05-25-2012, 04:17 AM   #8
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    Re: FT $8.80 Turbo QQ spot

    vs such an opponent you can make it 2.3xish preflop for value BvB.

    postflop seems wp as default, if you think he will r/c his FDs on flop b/c turn for value, if he will float alot and bet alot of turns c/jam.
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    Old 05-25-2012, 06:05 AM   #9
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    Re: FT $8.80 Turbo QQ spot

    Seems a weak line to me.

    Its bvb and his stats suggest he floats so hes still got wide range ott, some of which we beat. And its an FT, hes bigstack, etc. And we have spr < 2 with 15bbs and overpair.

    Id c/shove
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    Old 05-25-2012, 06:25 AM   #10
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    Re: FT $8.80 Turbo QQ spot

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    Seems a weak line to me.

    Its bvb and his stats suggest he floats so hes still got wide range ott, some of which we beat. And its an FT, hes bigstack, etc. And we have spr < 2 with 15bbs and overpair.

    Id c/shove



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    Old 05-25-2012, 06:30 AM   #11
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    Re: FT $8.80 Turbo QQ spot

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    vs such an opponent you can make it 2.3xish preflop for value BvB.

    postflop seems wp as default, if you think he will r/c his FDs on flop b/c turn for value, if he will float alot and bet alot of turns c/jam.
    If we think he´s going to raise flops with draws what hands do we beat OTT after he jams to our 2ndbarrel? I think the hand is wp. Aint he re-stealing with a lot of hands(that misses that flop) pre? So that flop/turn seems to suit him very well.
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