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11-30-2016 , 08:35 PM

yeahm8

journeyman

Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 216

Didn't 3bet pre because we're very deep with the opener and didn't want to get 70+bbs in pre with JJ.

BB is a spastic fish. How the fk do we interpret this ridiculous overjam? 4 or small-mid pair going for protection? Flush draw? Or "I have trips, I'M ALL IN!"

Poker Stars, $3 Buy-in (125/250 blinds, 30 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37531427

Hero (SB): 18,446 (73.8 bb)
BB: 13,281 (53.1 bb)
MP: 6,975 (27.9 bb)
CO: 20,486 (81.9 bb)
BTN: 7,110 (28.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J

MP folds, CO raises to 500, BTN folds, Hero calls 375, BB calls 250

Flop: (1,650) K

(3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets 12,751 and is all-in, Hero?

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Last edited by yeahm8; 11-30-2016 at 08:45 PM.

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12-01-2016 , 06:21 AM

Glaciem

old hand

Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 1,830

Think I still prefer the 3b with JJ here, we're smashing a CO open range and don't fancy going 3 way OOP here with a strong hand.

As played just fold and note it for future reference. You still have 70bb so it doesn't matter.

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12-01-2016 , 06:27 AM

DutchCourage

adept

Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 831

I'd say you're looking at AhQh or some other Ax of hearts more often than Kx/44. You may be ahead, but it won't be too far so folding wouldn't be the worst option imo.

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12-01-2016 , 07:04 AM

yeahm8

journeyman

Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 216

Good responses, thanks.

Regarding 3betting pre, lets say we make it ~1600 and he 4bets to ~4200 or so, then what? Do we just assume players at these stakes don't have a 4bet bluffing range and fold or what?

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12-01-2016 , 07:15 AM

furo

deviation of equilibrium

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 29,639

Well... Did CO fold? I would click call vs a spaz and fold otherwise.
Preflop is ok-ish. 3b is better. But with a spaz to act after you I dont mind the flatcall to induce him to 3b.

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12-01-2016 , 11:15 AM

Glaciem

old hand

Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 1,830

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Originally Posted by yeahm8

Then you need to make the decision based on the vil, do you think he has a 4b/f range or is he only 4betting his strong hands only such as QQ+ and AK. If its the latter then we can just fold and be on our merry way.

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12-01-2016 , 06:15 PM

jpgiro

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 1,439

I think 3-betting JJ pre is standard here. We're playing this pot OOP and really don't want to price the BB into a call. I think my general rule would be to flat in position and 3-bet OOP in spots like this.

As played it's an easy fold. Best case we probably have about 25-30% equity and that isn't good enough to call. Based on expected hand ranges our opponent should actually have way more Kx/44 combos in his CO open range (probably 30+) than heart draws (maybe 15-20). Even if we think he's bluffing some percentage of the time it isn't enough to justify calling.

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12-02-2016 , 03:40 AM

simpleman

newbie

Join Date: Nov 2016 Posts: 27

definitely would like to see a 3bet preflop here.

With the way the hand played out I'm folding and waiting for a better spot

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12-02-2016 , 04:40 AM

yeahm8

journeyman

Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 216

Thanks for the responses, I will 3bet in these spots in the future. I think I was applying too much of a high stakes mindset to it, worrying about getting 4bet and puking at the spot.

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