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Old 06-01-2012, 10:45 AM   #1
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Final Table $11 $1750 gtd FO on merge

UTG: 54,078.00
UTG+1: 115,548.00
MP: 153,071.00
MP+1: 14,120.00
LP: 71,822.00
CO: 49,074.00
BTN: 57,330.00
Hero (SB): 71,136.00
BB: 268,821.00

UTG posts ante 300.00, UTG+1 posts ante 300.00, MP posts ante 300.00, MP+1 posts ante 300.00, LP posts ante 300.00, CO posts ante 300.00, BTN posts ante 300.00, Hero posts ante 300.00, BB posts ante 300.00, Hero posts SB 1,500.00, BB posts BB 3,000.00

Pre Flop: (7200.00) Hero has Q Q

fold, UTG+1 raises to 6,000.00, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, [color=red]Hero ???

Shove?

Call?

3bet to how much?

fold or call to 4bet shove?
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Old 06-01-2012, 10:54 AM   #2
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Re: Final Table $11 $1750 gtd FO on merge

You raise AI.
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Old 06-01-2012, 01:05 PM   #3
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Re: Final Table $11 $1750 gtd FO on merge

14444/c readless
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Old 06-01-2012, 01:09 PM   #4
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Re: Final Table $11 $1750 gtd FO on merge

yeah 3b/c, don't shove.
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Old 06-01-2012, 05:27 PM   #5
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Re: Final Table $11 $1750 gtd FO on merge

Honestly whats wrong with 24k and call a shove. You have 23BB, I dont see a problem
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Old 06-01-2012, 09:13 PM   #6
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Re: Final Table $11 $1750 gtd FO on merge

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Honestly whats wrong with 24k and call a shove. You have 23BB, I dont see a problem
Shoving >>> 24k/c.
Readless I guess ~14k is optimal as furo said.
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Old 06-01-2012, 09:23 PM   #7
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Re: Final Table $11 $1750 gtd FO on merge

thanks for the feedback so far. i like 3betting more than a shove but wouldnt i be 3betting to see where i stand and fold to a shove or even a 4bet?
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Old 06-01-2012, 09:40 PM   #8
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Re: Final Table $11 $1750 gtd FO on merge

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thanks for the feedback so far. i like 3betting more than a shove but wouldnt i be 3betting to see where i stand and fold to a shove or even a 4bet?
No you're 3betting for value and hoping to induce OR to shove hands that he'd be folding to your ship. When everyone's saying "3b/c" or "14k/c" they mean 3b and then call if he ships.
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Old 06-01-2012, 09:48 PM   #9
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Re: Final Table $11 $1750 gtd FO on merge

Edit: What Vach said.

Also, no such thing as '3betting to see where you stand'. You either 3b for value, or as a bluff. With the 3rd best hand, obviously it isn't a bluff.

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Old 06-01-2012, 09:58 PM   #10
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Re: Final Table $11 $1750 gtd FO on merge

yes, i want too and wanted to get it in really bad here. it just seems like falling in love with QQ in this spot with 9 left is like im giving up.
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Old 06-01-2012, 11:53 PM   #11
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Re: Final Table $11 $1750 gtd FO on merge

3bet/c 90% off time,but I could find here 3bet/f against nits
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Old 06-02-2012, 01:49 AM   #12
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Re: Final Table $11 $1750 gtd FO on merge

No you can't 3b/f QQ 24BB eff ever, come on
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Old 06-02-2012, 06:30 AM   #13
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Re: Final Table $11 $1750 gtd FO on merge

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No you can't 3b/f QQ 24BB eff ever, come on
vs KK+ you can
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Old 06-02-2012, 08:29 AM   #14
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Re: Final Table $11 $1750 gtd FO on merge

Surely flat will always be better than 3b/f tho
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Old 06-02-2012, 05:14 PM   #15
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Re: Final Table $11 $1750 gtd FO on merge

15,5K and call with no reads whatsoever...
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Old 06-02-2012, 05:28 PM   #16
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15,5K and call with no reads whatsoever...
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Old 06-02-2012, 05:49 PM   #17
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Why do not like shove ? We have very good stack to 3bet shove here
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Old 06-04-2012, 03:17 AM   #18
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Re: Final Table $11 $1750 gtd FO on merge

What range do we put him on ATM?

If we 3bet to 15k and he shoves, do we still put him on the same range?

If we shove, what is he calling with?
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