it is clicking buttons...he is erratic and you cannot range him at all...he could call your raise with K8 for all you know...he could call you down with mid pair...bottom line is you are trying top outspew a spewbox when you are IP...being ahead of his range with K5 is just not that big of an advantage.

As to what I mean...if you think he is an over aggro bad player then maybe you value bet a wider range than you normally would. Maybe you call wider on your value hands. You have position...use it to excersize control rather than...I am not sure what you are trying to accomplish...are you trying to get him to fold? Call with worse? I just have no clue what you hope to get done with your line

isn't that what I'm trying to do here?


and please don't get me started on pot control. It's by far one of the worst things that ever happened to good poker players, imho.

I mean you see my posts...I worship at the shrine of bet fold which is the direct opposite of pot control but...we use bet fold because most opponents are predicatable...they call with worse and only raise better...that model falls apart vs bad lags who are clicking buttons...they do things that don't make sense and by trying to outplay them we punt stacks and then say WTF!! a lot

don't get the hate about the raise pre. we are building a pot in position and we are gonna take it away postflop a ton w/o showdown

please read the first line of the OP again...if this guy is going to get 100 BB in with K10 then he can put his chips in with a lot of crappy hands that still beat us here

I agree that pre isn't good. Pick something that flops better

I hate pre but I see why you might do it. I think the call/fold decision is way way closer than most everyone else. I think you're going to see a ton of flush draw type hands that we beat and just random air - but the only problem is those flush draw hands actually have a fair bit of equity. Add in the hands that beat us already and it's probably a fold, but I think it's pretty close.

I guess I tend not to try to bloat pots against these kinds of villains with really marginal hands, because it's so easy to get their chips when you have actual legitimate hands.

And... what's so wrong about pot control?

tends to lose you a ton of value and leaves you guessing on many rivers.

I was going to add the qualifier: I think pot control is often the best approach when you think you have a big skill edge at the table and stacks are fairly deep. I don't think there's much reason to commit a lot of chips a 55-45 favorite against a bad player if you'll easily find 90-10 spots if you wait a few hands. Against good players, or with a shortish stack, then it makes a lot more sense to push small edges.

Losing value is bad. If you tend to make good decisions on the river, I don't think the second part of what you've said is really a problem at all.

I don't agree with this and I will just link 2 posts that I have written a while back explaining why. I believe that avoiding variance isn't always the right path to FT glory.

this

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...2&postcount=64

then this

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...1&postcount=47

should explain my reasoning.

smooth call <:

This is interesting....but some times variance sucks.

What exactly are you putting him on in this spot?

Yeah, while it was interesting reading, I didn't quite agree with those posts, but it's really just a matter of philosophy, and not something we could prove one way or the other. I definitely think higher variance playing styles can be very successful, but my guess is that you'd do better using that kind of style than I would, considering how I approach the game in general.