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Do I call river?  MTT Do I call river?  MTT

06-25-2017 , 07:06 PM
$5 MTT 10k guarantee, 500 players left (350 pay)

Blinds: 600/1200
UTG (24k) raises 2.4k
LJ (134k) calls
CO (hero) (58k) calls w/ JThh
All fold

Flop (10k): Jd9s3s
UTG checks
LJ checks
Hero bets 7k
UTG folds
LJ raises 17k total
Hero?

My thought here was that he's either got a draw, a set, or J9. Should I be folding here?
End up calling.

Turn (45k): 2c
LJ checks, maybe giving up? Wasn't expecting this.
Hero checks behind.

River (45k): 3h
LJ bets 34k when I have 38k behind.
Hero?

Any feedback is appreciated.


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06-26-2017 , 12:11 AM
This is a line taken by a lot of flush draws, open enders and sets. So for sure calling flop and checking back turn. And when river bricks out and makes it extremely hard for him to have 3s here, I think you have to sigh call this and hope villain has a busted draw.
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06-26-2017 , 02:57 AM
calling flop, you gotta call 10k to 34k with tp and back door straight draw.

All the obvious draws missed on the river so i think this is a sigh call.
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06-28-2017 , 05:34 PM
I think it is at least worth considering a fold here. Villain's bluff range contains spades, KTs, QTs, and T8s. Given this, I would generally tend to lean toward calling with hands that don't contain spades or tens and at least considering folding the hands that do.
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06-28-2017 , 07:54 PM
Weird spot. Generally if theyre bluffing, theyre shoving the river and putting you all-in. That being said, his turn check is puzzling. If he has a big hand, he should be betting on such a wet board. Probably folding, but his line doesnt make much sense here.
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06-28-2017 , 08:54 PM
Wouldn’t bet here our kicker is too weak and we might just end up value owning us self to better Jack hands. Also getting checked raised with this hand is a bit of a disaster as I would be very reluctant to play for stacks with such a weak hand. Also worth noting is having a 10 here is not really helping matters as we want him to be bluffing with something like Q10S or 108s if he flats that.

As played I’d say it’s close and he’s most likely bluffing a bit in this spot but I’m also thinking he shows up with the goods a fair amount as well. I’d probably value my tournament life too much to make the hero here but again I would try to avoid this situation by not betting the flop.
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06-28-2017 , 09:41 PM
The check-raise was almost the minimum. Slightly favors strength, I would use that for a tie break and decide to fold river. AcJc for instance could be played this way, and thats not even top villain range, he could have anything better and also play this way. Tough spot.


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06-28-2017 , 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Whia
Also worth noting is having a 10 here is not really helping matters as we want him to be bluffing with something like Q10S or 108s if he flats that.

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The fact that we are worried about(or hoping for) specifically QT and T8 (even 87) all of spades, makes our heart holding of a ten irrelevant
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06-28-2017 , 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by nutflopper
The fact that we are worried about(or hoping for) specifically QT and T8 (even 87) all of spades, makes our heart holding of a ten irrelevant


Im not huge into blockers, but I thought that would remove some of the combos we want him to have. What am I missing?

Thanks!


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06-28-2017 , 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by robert_utk
Im not huge into blockers, but I thought that would remove some of the combos we want him to have. What am I missing?

Thanks!


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We block combos of QT and T8, but we do not specifically block the spade holdings that we are hoping he has on the river.
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06-28-2017 , 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by nutflopper
We block combos of QT and T8, but we do not specifically block the spade holdings that we are hoping he has on the river.


I see. Thanks!


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06-29-2017 , 01:13 AM
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I see. Thanks!


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No problem, that being said, we still do block all non spade(flush) draw holdings of those combos.

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06-29-2017 , 02:09 AM
Yeah super weird spot. The 3 on the end also made things more complicated, as now there's only 1 combo of 33 he can have instead of 3.

I was leaning towards folding the river, but now the only hands that make sense are JJ and 99. The 3 counterfeits the J9 so I feel like he would just check the river with that.


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06-29-2017 , 02:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Whia
Wouldn’t bet here our kicker is too weak and we might just end up value owning us self to better Jack hands. Also getting checked raised with this hand is a bit of a disaster as I would be very reluctant to play for stacks with such a weak hand. Also worth noting is having a 10 here is not really helping matters as we want him to be bluffing with something like Q10S or 108s if he flats that.



As played I’d say it’s close and he’s most likely bluffing a bit in this spot but I’m also thinking he shows up with the goods a fair amount as well. I’d probably value my tournament life too much to make the hero here but again I would try to avoid this situation by not betting the flop.


I agree with this completely. My biggest regret of the hand was betting the flop.


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06-29-2017 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by River_King
Yeah super weird spot. The 3 on the end also made things more complicated, as now there's only 1 combo of 33 he can have instead of 3.

I was leaning towards folding the river, but now the only hands that make sense are JJ and 99. The 3 counterfeits the J9 so I feel like he would just check the river with that.


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The 3 does not counterfeit J9, J9 still beats any jack here.
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06-29-2017 , 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Kev1498
The 3 does not counterfeit J9, J9 still beats any jack here.


Lol you're right, just an incorrect afterthought


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06-29-2017 , 07:07 PM
Results?
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06-30-2017 , 04:34 AM
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Results?


I call it off, but regret it. I think his river sizing is a big giveaway of strength here, but I was just too curious. He had 99 for a boat.


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06-30-2017 , 04:37 AM
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Originally Posted by nutflopper
Weird spot. Generally if theyre bluffing, theyre shoving the river and putting you all-in. That being said, his turn check is puzzling. If he has a big hand, he should be betting on such a wet board. Probably folding, but his line doesnt make much sense here.


^credit

And I did take this, (river sizing), into consideration. Really meant to fold but misclicked


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06-30-2017 , 04:42 AM
3b some of the time preflop but flat is obv fine too. Part of the edge of JTs is it can bluff and realize equity but that's hard to do when it's multiway mostly.

Checking the flop some of the time but again bet's fine too lol.

Fold the river.
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