Ok, so this hand was on 11$ Phase 2/2, probably the 3rd or 4th blind level

Was calling the 3bet bad? I feel like I got into a very sticky situation by not just folding pre, because when we continue all the way to the turn his range looks very capped with a higher king when he shoves there

Opinions please



PokerStars - $10+$1|1250/2500 Ante 250 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP+2: 8.78 BB (VPIP: 15.00, PFR: 10.53, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)
CO: 13.8 BB (VPIP: 8.33, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
BTN: 28.24 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 15.79, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)
SB: 22.64 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 15.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)
BB: 7.3 BB (VPIP: 7.27, PFR: 1.92, 3Bet Preflop: 4.00, Hands: 55)
UTG: 10.09 BB (VPIP: 15.79, PFR: 15.79, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)
UTG+1: 26.54 BB (VPIP: 36.84, PFR: 15.79, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)
Hero (MP): 34.83 BB
MP+1: 17.3 BB (VPIP: 15.00, PFR: 5.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)

9 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.4 BB) Hero has K 9

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 5 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 3 BB

Flop: (12.4 BB, 2 players) J K 2
Hero checks, BTN bets 4.96 BB, Hero calls 4.96 BB

Turn: (22.32 BB, 2 players) K
Hero checks, BTN bets 18.18 BB and is all-in, Hero

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Yup but The open is bad, and the preflop call is very bad. KJs is probably a bad open from that position.

As played flop is whatever and now you have to call off your stack on the turn. Villain could have aces or queens or air. It's hard for villain to put u on a king given your preflop actions and it's also hard for 2 players to have trips. You'll be good enough

ditto

Fold vs the 3b

Don't like the open at all given stack sizes. I think fold pre is best.

However, not sure you can fold the turn after c/calling flop

I'm calling this all day. Even vs JJ/22/AK you have plenty of outs, plus hands you are crushing are not out of his range given your line probably looks weak to villain.

If you're not gii with this hand on this board, then simply fold pre.

Thanks everyone

Open is fine. Happily raise calling the BB. 3 to 1 with a decent hand, idk really. Kind of villain dependant I guess, personally I'd learn towards calling but I'm a station lul. Don't fold the turn and if you lose against Kx where x>9 I'd say fak jo stars pls stahp rigg kthxbai


edit: just saw BB was a huuuuge nit, umm probably still calling but that sucks. EV of BB folding should probably even out itself against the fact that we will be up against better hands when we call of.

just disregard this OP



You are right about folding pre, but it sounds like it's because of what happened ( results oriented) instead of thinking you shouldn't have opened K9s from MP in the first place.

Yes, calling the 3 bet was worse than the open.

OP- what kind of 3 bet range would you give the V?

Run that against K9 spades in Flopzilla or equilab or whatever. You'll see what kind of shape you were in pre, flop, and turn.

PRE--BAD against a 3.5% range ( what I would give as a standardish BTN 3 bet range)

FLOP--you're WAY below BE against a 3.5% range = BAD again

TURN-- you have to call based on equity needed to BE--(need 41% equity to BE)

Do you know how to figure this out?

What equity do you have on the turn?

You are a joke, do you even know what a 3.5% 3betting range looks like? Is the standard BTN 3betting range really JJ+ AK and AKs? Jesus ****ing christ, please never post again, and please give me your online screenname free money is always appreciated. The open is decent, you will not see it on your hand opening chart that you use because you suck but it is as said decent. Not terribad omg unreg. Calling the 3bet is 100% situation dependant, how wide have you been opening and your perception of villain. If there really is no dynamics you are probably supposed to just fold, but I see no fault in opening this hand in first place. You have 30.5% against a 5% range and you are getting 3 to 1, but you are OOP and probably will not be able to realize your equity so all the ramblings away; good open, fold to the 3bet and once you reach the turn do not fold.

Would expect nothing less from an immature bad LAG.

Disclaimer: I started playing 2 months ago and I just started messing around with equilab, so please correct me if I'm way off

I can't say I consider his 3bet range to be at 3.5%, most likely 4.5% TT+ and AQo+.

I might be wrong but I don't think most players at a 11 bucker think that flatting on the button with good hands is better than 3betting, even though I still think it was bad calling the 3bet given the stack sizes.


I don't think the call on the flop was that bad -- at this point he might just be cbetting with pretty much all of his range (maybe not tens) and I needed 40% of a bet of 5 BB into 12, which seems fine.

When he shoves turn I guess I just shrug call and hope he doesn't have AK or JJ

Let's not discuss pre. I would just say that after callin flop with top pair and NO back door flush draw k or 9 are the only cards you want to see. You have to go all in. Or why did you call the flop? I conclude you either have to fold flop or call turn.

Also aq clubs or even a10 clubs can be all in there.

I see no reason to fold flop after hitting top pair. Maybe it was just missplayed pre and the play was fine postflop?

I did call the jam there

I can live with a 4.5% range. The important thing to remember is against that range, K9s is not that good AND maybe more importantly, you're OOP.

I've learned that this is 100% villain dependent. I will flat with an AQ or AK hand if I know that you are opening too wide from a certain position and like to be aggressive on and after the flop.
(i.e. stack off with TPGK)
Equity wise, it's not a bad call, as long as you realize that it's a marginal/high variance type of call.

This is probably the best way to think about this spot.

Don't get me wrong i mean that after you call the flop you can't fold the turn.
What i mean is that when you call the flop (other than the chance to be ahead) you are draw dead you need either a king or a 9 to improve your hand.
When one of those cards come on the turn, you cant fold. If you considering about folding now(on turn when one of the 5 cards you search comes), you should fold on flop because there were no cards that would make you call a turn bet.

My english are not that good so excuse me i tried to explain my thoughts good enough.

Yeah, I understood chris and crow, thanks a lot for the advice. It was my first thread on 2+2 and I'm glad it good plenty of good insight

Fold twice pre. Post is ok.