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Did i put villain range wrongly? .20 6 max Did i put villain range wrongly? .20 6 max

08-20-2017 , 11:47 AM
Dear all,

Goodday.

Hand 1

On equilab, using his PFR of 13% gives me 50% equity. I 3bet jam. Would you fold pre flop?

partypoker - 1200/2400 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 31.17 BB (VPIP: 37.50, PFR: 35.71, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
Hero (BB): 15.69 BB
UTG: 36.35 BB (VPIP: 15.19, PFR: 12.66, 3Bet Preflop: 6.45, Hands: 81)
MP: 17.2 BB (VPIP: 30.43, PFR: 28.89, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 50)
CO: 11.39 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 5)
BTN: 36.99 BB (VPIP: 12.28, PFR: 7.27, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 58)

6 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.1 BB) Hero has A J

UTG raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 15.59 BB and is all-in, UTG calls 13.59 BB

Flop: (32.27 BB, 2 players) 9 Q 7

Turn: (32.27 BB, 2 players) 5

River: (32.27 BB, 2 players) T

UTG shows Q Q (Three of a Kind, Queens)
(Pre 72%, Flop 97%, Turn 100%)
Hero shows A J (High Card, Ace)
(Pre 28%, Flop 3%, Turn 0%)
UTG wins 32.27 BB

Hand 2:

Would you fold to his 3 bet? i jammed because my QQ is ahead of his 4% 3-bet stat. Or do you think more hand is needed for more accurate 3-bet stat of villain?

partypoker - 800/1600 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 56.54 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
Hero (MP): 38.79 BB
CO: 27.71 BB (VPIP: 15.38, PFR: 12.31, 3Bet Preflop: 4.00, Hands: 67)
BTN: 26.78 BB (VPIP: 39.39, PFR: 37.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 36)
SB: 1.76 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 31)
BB: 54.99 BB (VPIP: 11.63, PFR: 4.76, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 44)

6 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.1 BB) Hero has Q Q

fold, Hero raises to 2 BB, CO raises to 4.5 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 38.69 BB and is all-in, CO calls 23.11 BB and is all-in

Flop: (57.32 BB, 2 players) 6 5 K

Turn: (57.32 BB, 2 players) 5

River: (57.32 BB, 2 players) 3

CO shows A A (Two Pair, Aces and Fives)
(Pre 82%, Flop 92%, Turn 95%)
Hero shows Q Q (Two Pair, Queens and Fives)
(Pre 18%, Flop 8%, Turn 5%)
Hero wins 11.08 BB
CO wins 57.32 BB

Thank you.
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08-20-2017 , 10:24 PM
Not sure what the best course of action is in hand one. I guess flatting can't be terrible.

Hand two plays itself, UL.
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08-20-2017 , 11:37 PM
hand one I would say shove is the normal line, could make a fold on reads or ICM
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08-21-2017 , 10:02 AM
When we're talking about preflop decisions people really need to stop posting the rest of the runout and results. It impacts our analysis whether we believe it does or not.

Hand 1: You assigned him a 13% opening range but was he opening that widely from UTG or was he more positionally aware? He could be 13 overall but 5 from UTG. It's a borderline shove depending on that info.

Hand 2: I'm not crazy about the shove. His 3b is 4 in a small sample but his 3b size is really small, suggesting he wants to thin the field but wants you to call. When you 4b shove you fold out any hands in his range you beat (AQ/AJs maybe even TT) and get called by AA/KK/AK. I'd rather call and see what happens on the flop. You can get away from an A/K flop and let him bet his entire range on anything else.

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08-21-2017 , 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Darth_Maul
When we're talking about preflop decisions people really need to stop posting the rest of the runout and results. It impacts our analysis whether we believe it does or not.

Hand 1: You assigned him a 13% opening range but was he opening that widely from UTG or was he more positionally aware? He could be 13 overall but 5 from UTG. It's a borderline shove depending on that info.

Hand 2: I'm not crazy about the shove. His 3b is 4 in a small sample but his 3b size is really small, suggesting he wants to thin the field but wants you to call. When you 4b shove you fold out any hands in his range you beat (AQ/AJs maybe even TT) and get called by AA/KK/AK. I'd rather call and see what happens on the flop. You can get away from an A/K flop and let him bet his entire range on anything else.

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+1 , hand 1 .Aj with your stack oop is a clear shove, unless he opens tight from ep. Look at his stats , how much is prf from EP, and then act.
hand 2. Why shove with a big stack? call and reevalue otf.
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08-21-2017 , 06:36 PM
In hand 1, anything other than jamming seems bad, too strong to fold and too weak to flat. And hand 2 is not very good, you jammed 10x the 3-bet which will remove a ton of the hands that you are beating from his range. Probably 4-bet to 10-13 BB's and call the jam over the top.
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08-22-2017 , 07:07 AM
we cant fold pre in hand 1 of course and jamming seems rly thin against a utg open. id flat for sure.

hand 2 plays itself, if he has a better hand than QQ 27bb eff good for him.
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08-22-2017 , 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Kev1498
In hand 1, anything other than jamming seems bad, too strong to fold and too weak to flat.


why is AJo to weak to flat getting 4.1-1? even if he showed you AK or QQ before you make your decision you would have a profitable call.
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08-22-2017 , 07:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by daviid
why is AJo to weak to flat getting 4.1-1? even if he showed you AK or QQ before you make your decision you would have a profitable call.
Definetly a flat v an ep raiser, more of a shove v later position opener
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08-22-2017 , 12:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by daviid
why is AJo to weak to flat getting 4.1-1? even if he showed you AK or QQ before you make your decision you would have a profitable call.
I thought we were in the small blind here, disregard that.
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08-23-2017 , 11:33 AM
Hand 1 easy flat

Hand 2 is a cooler, unlucky.
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