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Deep in big, 3bet on bb with Ad Kh Deep in big, 3bet on bb with Ad Kh

07-12-2017 , 05:49 AM
Running deep in the big $11. finished somewhere between 50th-80th place

This hand is somewhere with 200 players, actually I dont know how many players anymore. Didnt write that but we're itm.

Here we are, we have Ad Kh on the bb, HJ minraise 2,2 bb, SB called and I decide to 3bet heavy, the 3bet here is for value without seeing the flop.
HJ shove. sb folded (he is doing that often, limp, limpcall, or call openraise).
I also decide to fold after 25seconds. Its not about the payjump but more about his play. I never see him shoving his whole stack. He is here shoving over the top. I can fold here because of my read and a flip is not needed imo.

What do you guys think of this play and analyze ? I folded here because my read about him.

    Poker Stars, $10 Buy-in (1,750/3,500 blinds, 425 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    SB: 94,640 (27 bb)
    Hero (BB): 122,084 (34.9 bb)
    UTG+1: 155,698 (44.5 bb)
    UTG+2: 227,420 (65 bb)
    MP1: 81,375 (23.3 bb)
    MP2: 122,494 (35 bb)
    MP3: 42,148 (12 bb)
    CO: 15,982 (4.6 bb)
    BTN: 60,560 (17.3 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with K A
    3 folds, MP2 raises to 7,805, 3 folds, SB calls 6,055, Hero raises to 22,110, MP2 raises to 122,069 and is all-in, 2 folds

    Spoiler:
    Results: 55,850 pot
    MP2 mucked and won 55,850 (33,315 net)
    Deep in big, 3bet on bb with Ad Kh Quote
    07-12-2017 , 06:18 AM
    You're far enough away from the FT that you shouldn't be playing for pay jumps. With AK and 35bb I'm getting it in. Even against a very tight range of JJ+/AK you're still 40% and there is plenty of dead money in the pot to make the call +ev.

    You can't fold your way to the real money in MTTs, you have to take spots like this to try and double up.

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    07-12-2017 , 06:39 AM
    3b is too small, 3b/f is a crime. its at least a half decent squeeze spot for you so villain will gii even lighter than it would be required for you to 3b/c super profitably.
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    07-12-2017 , 07:21 AM
    ak is always a 3b call on 35bb when no real icm factors are in.
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    07-12-2017 , 07:45 AM
    Also on a side note (in my head at least) this is more often another scared ak than aa or kk. I mean that i have seen this patern many times where i say oh i hate this but i have to call and is just a split between 2 ak.
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    07-12-2017 , 04:27 PM
    Too many ways for villain to hold AQs, TT, JJ, and the oddball AK here for me to fold. I gii, and try to go to the final table.


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    07-12-2017 , 05:51 PM
    Can't ever fold AK here.
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    07-12-2017 , 06:07 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by robert_utk
    Too many ways for villain to hold AQs, TT, JJ, and the oddball AK here for me to fold. I gii, and try to go to the final table.


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    Villain can be way wider than this, given we've got one of the best spots to squeeze bluff ever given positions and stack sizes.

    Speaking of which, given this is a great squeeze spot we probs shouldn't be folding when we've got a premium here.
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    07-12-2017 , 08:47 PM
    Never fold ak here. Why are you 3 betting if you are going to fold to a 4 bet pile? Also I would raise more since when opponent flats you are oop. Along with the flat, I'd prolly make it 27-35k.

    You don't think he's never ripping aq here?
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    07-14-2017 , 11:16 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Jkpoker10
    Never fold ak here. Why are you 3 betting if you are going to fold to a 4 bet pile? Also I would raise more since when opponent flats you are oop. Along with the flat, I'd prolly make it 27-35k.

    You don't think he's never ripping aq here?
    No I dont think he shove AQ here, he is a pretty good player. This spot is a coinflip, and with 90k behind I can avoid this by folding.

    Actually I don't like coinflips when deep, only when with KK+.
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    07-14-2017 , 12:28 PM
    155,824 pot (if my math is right) and you need to call 99,974. Total pot 255,798. Need 39.1% equity to call.
    Vs QQ+,AKs,AKo you have 38.8% equity
    vs JJ+, AKs, AKo you have 39.8% equity

    I'd need a stone cold read that AQs and/or TT never shove here to even consider folding.

    Majority of players will go wider. I want a big stack so I can challenge for winning this tournament too. I'm not shying away from getting in AK vs 99% of opponents here.

    As mentioned above, a decent player in your spot is squeezing very wide when the SB calls and most decent players react and shove wide in the villains spot. Also mentioned above, 3bet bigger because you'll be out of position if called and this is a squeeze not a standard 3bet. Not a huge issue really but I'd personally make it 25,700.
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    07-14-2017 , 12:39 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by PokerGnome.
    No I dont think he shove AQ here, he is a pretty good player. This spot is a coinflip, and with 90k behind I can avoid this by folding.



    Actually I don't like coinflips when deep, only when with KK+.


    He would shove AQ because your range is a squeeze range, you just happen to be near the top of your range.

    Your AK is only flipping against the best of his range, and you are way ahead of lots of his range.

    But the easiest way for me to do these range analysis during a hand is "would he shove AQ?"

    If it would be reasonable and aggressive for him to hold AQ then your AK is doing fine AGAINST HIS ENTIRE RANGE.

    Personally, i dont know how anyone could win a nlhe tournament avoiding coin flips, and waiting for KK or AA to go all in pre. Maybe in a live tourney with 1 hour levels and deep stacked, I would hesitate to flip.

    AK is not a coin flip nearly as often as some people think. Often the other guy was trying to flip with AQ, KQ, etc. and gets the bad news when you turn over AK.


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    07-15-2017 , 05:12 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by robert_utk
    He would shove AQ because your range is a squeeze range, you just happen to be near the top of your range.

    Your AK is only flipping against the best of his range, and you are way ahead of lots of his range.

    But the easiest way for me to do these range analysis during a hand is "would he shove AQ?"

    If it would be reasonable and aggressive for him to hold AQ then your AK is doing fine AGAINST HIS ENTIRE RANGE.

    Personally, i dont know how anyone could win a nlhe tournament avoiding coin flips, and waiting for KK or AA to go all in pre. Maybe in a live tourney with 1 hour levels and deep stacked, I would hesitate to flip.

    AK is not a coin flip nearly as often as some people think. Often the other guy was trying to flip with AQ, KQ, etc. and gets the bad news when you turn over AK.


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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JustinDMoney

    As mentioned above, a decent player in your spot is squeezing very wide when the SB calls and most decent players react and shove wide in the villains spot. Also mentioned above, 3bet bigger because you'll be out of position if called and this is a squeeze not a standard 3bet. Not a huge issue really but I'd personally make it 25,700.
    Sighh....Didnt realize this was a squeeze..., it wasn't my intention to squeeze but to 3bet for value and to end at the preflop. Again a mistake..., but ok this is for the next time

    Thanks guys, I got it now.
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    07-16-2017 , 01:00 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by PokerGnome.
    Sighh....Didnt realize this was a squeeze..., it wasn't my intention to squeeze but to 3bet for value and to end at the preflop. Again a mistake..., but ok this is for the next time

    Thanks guys, I got it now.
    3betting for value means you want a call or to be played back at.... What you are describing is a 3-bet bluff which you should not be doing with AK.
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    07-20-2017 , 10:31 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nutty_hamish
    3betting for value means you want a call or to be played back at.... What you are describing is a 3-bet bluff which you should not be doing with AK.
    Took a while to understand this...

    You're just saying in this spot I should not fold AK.
    If I did this with 76s then fold is okay I think. But here, It's my time to go big or go broke

    edit: not sure if I can do this with 76s
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