interesting hand from my skype group.



Hand Information
No Limit, 8000 BB (9 handed).
Hand History converter courtesy of pokerhandreplays.com

Table Information
Seat: 1 granspur ($235630)
Seat: 2 alatala16 ($261208)
Seat: 3 brauliofp ($432518) Dealer
Seat: 4 john4kos8 ($335754) Small Blind
Seat: 5 Hero ($371271) Big Blind
Seat: 6 cormorant ($155835)
Seat: 7 psykoman90 ($306257)
Seat: 8 geldgeist ($124179)
Seat: 9 el canelo119 ($98585)
Seat 1granspur Ante: 1000
Seat 2alatala16 Ante: 1000
Seat 3brauliofp Ante: 1000
Seat 4john4kos8 Ante: 1000
Seat 5Hero Ante: 1000
Seat 6cormorant Ante: 1000
Seat 7psykoman90 Ante: 1000
Seat 8geldgeist Ante: 1000
Seat 9el canelo119 Ante: 1000
Dealt to Hero
**

Preflop (Pot:21000)
cormorant****FOLD
psykoman90****FOLD
geldgeist****FOLD
el canelo119****FOLD
granspur****FOLD
alatala16****FOLD
brauliofp****CALL $8000
john4kos8****CALL $4000
Hero****CHECK

Flop(Pot: $34000)
***

john4kos8****CHECK
Hero****BET $16777
brauliofp****CALL $16777
john4kos8****FOLD

Turn(Pot: $67554)
****

Hero****BET $39999
brauliofp****CALL $39999

River(Pot: $147552)
*****

Hero****BET $89888
brauliofp****ALL-IN
Hero****????????

Reads are one of the most important things in threads bro so ask your friends if he has any.
We're obviously not getting value from a strong range so go smaller ott like 30k.
River could be a check or a bet depending on reads

Just asked em

said villain was an 18/14 over 22 hands

the button limp is what confuses me the most here.

A4 would have raised pre im assuming or am i wrong?

anyways, as played, should that river ship be called or is this a good laydown?

another point i was arguing on skype was the lack of pot control as he 3 barrels and the bets are pretty big imo.

what ranges can we put this guy on? is he making a move because he sees we've left 200k behind "just in case" ?

I just OPRed the screenname, and if it's the player at Stars, he finishes late (top 30%) about 38% of the time, and players like that are only very rarely spewing off stacks on river bluffs against triple-barrelers who could easily have total monsters - it's a limped pot, and hero could easily have something like K4 here, so bluff shoving is often completely idiotic. If it were a really fishy player, you might expect a hand like QJ to bluff shove, but I'd be surprised if this guy is doing that.

I'm looking at the hand and having trouble working out what this person can have besides quad 4s though.

Don't like the play of the hand at all. The bet sizing is way too big to get called by much worse, and the river bet is really questionable. Villain's range is really narrow here I think, and most of the hands that call us to the end were beating us the whole time or just caught up (KT+, 44, 54 of spades, etc), few of the hands we're beating ever call (is JT calling that bet on the end? I guess the only hands you get value from are Ts with good kickers but those raise pre usually), and the hands we're beating are missed draws that we want to give a chance to bluff at us.

The limp is really confusing though. Would want to know what limper has shown down in limped pots.

prob check/soulread river, your river bet is too big as well.

Yeah now its a fold, but IF I bet, it's not going to be more than 25-30k

Betting 3 streets here is just plain awful. And no A4 does not raise it probably folds unless he's a limping donkey.

Either throw a blocker bet and fold if he raises big or check-call if u believe he has any kind of busted draw or AT-T9(-KT).

But as Kamikaze mentioned above, his button limping range is a bit huge. KTs is a possibility which still beats you and I think based on what I'm reading that its what he held.

Prob c/f river
ez fold as played