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Old 06-28-2011, 11:43 AM   #1
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Call or get out?

Is this a call, fold or a shove?? I have just little more than him, so I guess that we shouldnt be in this flip, right? His stats: 19/13 over 31 hands, 3bet 15%
What is his 3betting range? JJ+,AK?

Thanks for help

    Poker Stars, $4 Buy-in (1,250/2,500 blinds, 310 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #9855012

    BB: 71,195 (28.5 bb)
    UTG+1: 106,871 (42.7 bb)
    UTG+2: 127,774 (51.1 bb)
    MP1: 29,055 (11.6 bb)
    MP2: 114,962 (46 bb)
    Hero (MP3): 114,312 (45.7 bb)
    CO: 214,509 (85.8 bb)
    BTN: 26,080 (10.4 bb)
    SB: 100,566 (40.2 bb)

    Preflop: (2,790) Hero is MP3 with Q A
    4 folds, Hero raises to 6,000, 2 folds, SB raises to 17,500, BB folds, Hero calls/folds/ships?

    Last edited by Seda16; 06-28-2011 at 11:46 AM. Reason: The title should be - Call/Ship/Get out? Mistake ;)
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    Old 06-28-2011, 12:10 PM   #2
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    Re: Call or get out?

    Flat or fold. I think his 4bet range should be pretty tight in this spot, so I probably fold cause too many times they are bladed, or AK imo.
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    Old 06-28-2011, 12:24 PM   #3
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    Re: Call or get out?

    @ what about your image? have you been opening a lot? this might have some huge impact on his 3-betting range...
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    Old 06-28-2011, 12:56 PM   #4
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    Re: Call or get out?

    I had 26/20 in 46 hands
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    Old 06-28-2011, 01:15 PM   #5
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    Re: Call or get out?

    Sample is pretty small but I would shove with your image and vs a 15% 3bet. His 3betting range is probably a decent bit wider than you expect since you've been active
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    Old 06-28-2011, 01:29 PM   #6
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    Re: Call or get out?

    anyone likes calling ip?
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    Old 06-28-2011, 01:39 PM   #7
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    Re: Call or get out?

    Our hand looses too much value by playing it passively in a 3bet pot
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    Old 06-28-2011, 01:54 PM   #8
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    Re: Call or get out?

    well, we're not playing fit/fold obv. if we flat. But when we flat we give him another chance to bluff his chips off with the lower end of his range...

    Last edited by Diboudo; 06-28-2011 at 02:01 PM. Reason: might be reaaallly spewy though ;)
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    Old 06-29-2011, 12:51 PM   #9
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    Re: Call or get out?

    Thanks for ideas, I shoved - here is the result

    Result:
    Seda16: raises 3500 to 6000
    mandy235: folds
    PaulSnowDown: folds
    De_jay2300: raises 11500 to 17500
    begood9999: folds
    Seda16: raises 96502 to 114002 and is all-in
    De_jay2300: calls 82756 and is all-in
    Uncalled bet (13746) returned to Seda16
    pocketjack12 has returned
    *** FLOP *** [Kh 4h Jd]
    *** TURN *** [Kh 4h Jd] [9s]
    *** RIVER *** [Kh 4h Jd 9s] [Jc]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    De_jay2300: shows [Qd Qs] (two pair, Queens and Jacks)
    Seda16: shows [Qh Ac] (a pair of Jacks)
    De_jay2300 collected 205802 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 205802 | Rake 0
    Board [Kh 4h Jd 9s Jc]
    Seat 1: begood9999 (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 2: pocketjack12 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: moreira100 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: 233005 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: pra$titytka folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: Seda16 showed [Qh Ac] and lost with a pair of Jacks
    Seat 7: mandy235 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: PaulSnowDown (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: De_jay2300 (small blind) showed [Qd Qs] and won (205802) with two pair, Queens and Jacks

    Had some outs, but I suck at flipping
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    Old 06-29-2011, 10:43 PM   #10
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    Re: Call or get out?

    ship ship it in...sometimes we run into rangetops but at this stage I am fighting for that juicy pot
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    Old 06-30-2011, 07:03 AM   #11
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    Re: Call or get out?

    I have a habit of flatting in spots like these, unsure if it is good or not though folding seems really bad.
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    Old 06-30-2011, 08:16 AM   #12
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    Re: Call or get out?

    One belated question... of the times he has been 3betting have they been the same sizes or did this one seem unusually high or low? My initial thought was that he's out of position and the r seems too small for anything but value. However 15% 3bet range seems very high? Hence the question regarding whether 3bet size was unsual in comparsion to previous 3bets?
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    Old 06-30-2011, 09:13 AM   #13
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    Re: Call or get out?

    I dont remember anymore reads than stats, sorry. I played it like week ago and was just checking some hands on HEM and found this one.
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    Old 06-30-2011, 10:48 AM   #14
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    Re: Call or get out?

    Quote:
    De_jay2300: shows [Qd Qs] (two pair, Queens and Jacks)
    first in......and I was right for once!
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    Old 06-30-2011, 02:42 PM   #15
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    Re: Call or get out?

    Quote:
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    anyone likes calling ip?
    Agree that one, why shove 40bb stack in this situation, don't think you get called by worse.
    Flat and see if you hit on the flop, if not, you still have 37bb to play with.

    Any thoughts?
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