partypoker - $5.50+$0|5000/10000 NL (8 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 85,072 (VPIP: 15.96, PFR: 2.22, 3Bet Preflop: 2.94, Hands: 95)
MP: 368,846 (VPIP: 25.53, PFR: 5.38, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 96)
CO: 496,316 (VPIP: 46.15, PFR: 24.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 26)
Hero (BTN): 219,062
SB: 136,987 (VPIP: 17.28, PFR: 12.66, 3Bet Preflop: 2.86, Hands: 83)
BB: 183,296 (VPIP: 20.83, PFR: 6.25, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 48)

6 players post ante of 1,000, SB posts SB 5,000, BB posts BB 10,000

Pre Flop: (pot: 21,000) Hero has 9 6

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 21,000, fold, BB calls 11,000

Flop: (53,000, 2 players) 6 5 Q
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (53,000, 2 players) 5
BB bets 15,000, Hero calls 15,000

River: (83,000, 2 players) T
BB bets 35,000, Hero ???

Do I call this river bet, turn bet (with that sizing) doesn't really rep much except a flush draw trying to see a cheap river. These were most of the type of hands I had him on when I got to the river. If my reads are right I have to call of this river right?

I am trying to at least understand the basics of GTO analysis and this seems like a good example. Can a gto guru weigh in here, thanks!


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Yeah if thats your read you should call.

For those wondering, villain showed down 97o.

So you should have cbet. By checking flop, villain perceived you as unable to call twice, and was almost right. I believe that is an atc any two cards attack. My question is, do you perceive your play here as exploit poker or GTO poker? You raised pre-flop putting villain on atc and then played the rest of the hand like he had decent cards.

You wound up in a very thin spot and I don't know if you were correct, on the river, given the strange way you played each street.

Strange way I played each street? I have a bluff catcher with showdown value, why would I bet flop and turn?

I like how you played the hand. I try to balance my cbets in spots like this, but as underrepped as you've played the hand, I think a good percentage of the time I'm calling down unless against a known nit.

If you cbet this hand, what hands do you have in your check back range that you're willing to call down with?

Sucks we have a nine, but I like our line here - I'd call river.

Well, If you are stealing with atc preflop, to play the rest of the hand with range analysis is silly. But, even so to put bottom pair into check back range is asking for both barrels. I would check back gutshots, PP less than 2nd pair, one over, etc. I am not a GTO player, if I try to steal and flop is dry you will get a cbet from me.


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One cbet on the flop wins the hand right there. If villain floats that, he has intentions to steal on a later street. Which may have been the case all along. But villains that have nothing and call with same just to rep the exact hand you are repping will eventually implode and give you all the monies.


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Why would I run a one street bluff when I have second pair?

Apologies I thought you had bottom pair. Second pair would be a value bet not a bluff.
If it was a bluff, it would be two streets, preflop is a street.


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Why would I value bet a six here though??? You have to explain why I should be betting.

You raised pre and flopped second pair. Thus, you bet.

You are trying to overthink the situation.

Better question is, why would you not bet?


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Because worse hands fold and better hands call or raise, I get value from nothing except a flush draw that probably raises and forces me to fold.

You:
Start by stealing with 96o and then want to squeeze the most value out of second pair, while being afraid of a bluff and inducing said bluff. Finally call both value sized bluffs, and wonder what happened.

Me:
Bluff pre, cbet flop, win.






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I tried a steal on the button with 96s got called and tried to showdown my showdown value. Raising preflop to 2x is not really a bluff of any sort. I called down and won the pot, which is what everyone in this thread seems to say was correct. And you are telling me to C-bet because this guy has 97o while saying it is the GTO play. Being results orientated is the farthest thing from GTO.

Nobody said anything in this hand is GTO.
Best of luck to you. Im out.


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Betting flop at this stack depth with this hand would be pretty bad IMO. we're not doing fantastic vs a check jam (or even check calling range tbh) and it really complicates our future decisions.

Check back flop and play the hand for the SD value it has.

While I get what you're saying, and don't necessarily disagree, you do need to have a check back range that you can call some bets on turns and rivers to prevent yourself from being exploited. I'm also not saying this is the best hand to do this with, but it surely isn't the worst.

I'm back. The thread still irks me.

It is a tournament.

Hero raised in position, BB defended.

To start to analyze ranges and check back this and that yadda yadda is just bad poker, in a tournament.

How do you think the rest of the table will react to hero after this?

Hero will need good cards, because he has shown exactly what he is made of.

Hope the call was worth all that.

Bet, Win, Repeat.

This is how tournaments are won and what winning tournament players look like.


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Do you have a check back flop range at all in tournaments then? And if so what does it consist of on a board like the one in this example? I'm assuming you're a winning player from the way you post so I'm interested to hear your views.

What if villian had top pair, flush draw or something else that hit? It wouldnt be bet win repeat then would it?

Check back what you want to call a shove with. Show aggression in position, THEN MAKE THE RIGHT CALL OR FOLD.

The BB is the one that has to outplay the hero, which did happen, regardless of results.


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Assumptions are for lols, but if I was a losing player, I would not give anyone advice about poker, ever.


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