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07-20-2017 , 02:16 AM
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    Poker Stars, $3.30 Buy-in (400/800 blinds, 75 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37796273

    MP2: 8,738 (10.9 bb)
    MP3: 19,473 (24.3 bb)
    CO: 8,676 (10.8 bb)
    BTN: 14,089 (17.6 bb)
    SB: 27,227 (34 bb)
    Hero (BB): 13,718 (17.1 bb)
    UTG+2: 11,476 (14.3 bb)
    MP1: 19,433 (24.3 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 6 7
    6 folds, SB raises to 2,032, Hero calls 1,232

    Flop: (4,664) 6 J K (2 players)
    SB bets 2,525, Hero calls, raises or jams??




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    villain is very aggro i play with him often. 28/24/15 3bet with high barrel frequencies.

    How bad is a jam? is flatting better?
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    07-20-2017 , 03:39 AM
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    Hero folds prob.
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    07-20-2017 , 07:29 AM
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    fold against this sizing without any kind of bd draw.
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    07-20-2017 , 08:23 AM
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    Bases on your read, Hero folds pre. You have 17bb and a hand that will have difficulty facing aggression postflop unless you flop big because it will have no showdown value otherwise. Pick a better hand to tangle with a LAG.

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    07-20-2017 , 11:11 AM
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Darth_Maul
    Bases on your read, Hero folds pre. You have 17bb and a hand that will have difficulty facing aggression postflop unless you flop big because it will have no showdown value otherwise. Pick a better hand to tangle with a LAG.

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    seems like a mathematical disaster to fold 67s in pos having to call 1200 to win 2700. the shorter stack works in heros favor.
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    07-20-2017 , 12:26 PM
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    Quote:
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    seems like a mathematical disaster to fold 67s in pos having to call 1200 to win 2700. the shorter stack works in heros favor.
    Even of you flop a flush draw you won't have overcard outs, nor much fold equity, so you basically have to flop gin to make this hand worthwhile. And against a LAG opponent you know you'll be facing aggression if you don't flop gin, like hero did in this hand. Plus with effective stack of only 17bb the reward of hitting isn't even that great.

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    07-20-2017 , 12:44 PM
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    pretty sure we can call pre

    Maybe throw it in flopzilla but I would be shoving a ton of flops just not this one

    anyone just shove pre?
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    07-21-2017 , 06:13 AM
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    Maybe shove if villain has a high fold to 3b tendency, but i'd need a lot of hands on the villain to make this read comfortably.

    Folding seems acceptable if nitty, because villian is a lag that barrells a lot and as darth said we need to hit the board hard to feel comfortable continuing.

    In the moment i would call pre, and have to give up on the flop because we dont have any kind of draw/backdoor draws to go along with our bottom pair to make me feel comfortable shoving here.
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    07-21-2017 , 09:24 AM
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    Quote:
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    Even of you flop a flush draw you won't have overcard outs, nor much fold equity, so you basically have to flop gin to make this hand worthwhile. And against a LAG opponent you know you'll be facing aggression if you don't flop gin, like hero did in this hand. Plus with effective stack of only 17bb the reward of hitting isn't even that great.

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    Think we get significantly more FE then you're suggesting Darth, when having 17bb against a 34bb stack. They can't call light with the potential to lose 50% of their stack.

    Lots of flops that we cna check shove on which going to reward us with a vil fold.
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    07-21-2017 , 09:34 AM
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    Quote:
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    Think we get significantly more FE then you're suggesting Darth, when having 17bb against a 34bb stack. They can't call light with the potential to lose 50% of their stack.

    Lots of flops that we cna check shove on which going to reward us with a vil fold.
    Possibly. But since we're BB we can't x/shove anything. If we assume villain leads like he did and we shove, he's getting almost 2:1 to call. If he's the type of LAG villain that doesn't like backing down, FE will be limited.

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    07-21-2017 , 10:12 AM
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    It sure might be limited, but we don't have to realize that much of our equity to call profitable pre. And fwiw, his range should be very polarized in that spot which means that we're less likely to be dominated in certain spots (e.g. I'd assume he's nor gonna raise hands like 87s in that spot)
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