24 hands in a new table

Villian is playing 23/13

Who is folding here?

superstd hand
by you at least, he prolly got there somewhere.

STD otf.

pre I sometimes flat there but usually when deeper. your line is good.

what? this is std?

IF 3bet pre I go bigger. Hate the sizing in general, also otf, would go smaller here

Which kind of hands do you expect here to see? He´s commiting himself with his minraise, you really think he does this with AT? Yea I know it´s a 3bet pot and we´re not very deep but we´re 3betting an ep raiser who calls and is minraising us in a commiting way...

If we're folding this flop to a raise when we cbet then we should just flat pre. He can't really have AK since he didn't 4b (not to say AK doesn't flat sometimes). Plus the pot is already massive now.

Why more on the 3b? It's over 3x his initial raise and we want to keep as much of his worse hands in.

Don't like your choice to 3bet against an ambiguous villain OOP in MP all that much, even vs a min raise. At these stacks, if you do 3bet, i like 3.5-4Xing and basically potting/calling every most flops hit or miss.

Im flatting pre and folding if played back OTF.

As played just going all the way with it.

yea, flat pre, that was my intention. and yea most of the time we just can´t fold tp in a 3way pot but his only semi bluff is KQcc (do u think he calls 78s pre?) and this is nearly a flip so I just can´t see a hand we´re beating vs his line.

and the 3bet pre is 2.7x or so, at this stage with these stacks and the positions I just dont like it

Yeah, it def read like you were referring to the hand as it was played, not that it was flatted. He can have worse aces, Axcc, KQcc. Also you should count the raises according to how much it was raised, not the total amount. IE MP1 raises 150 to 300 we then should size our 3b according to the 150 not the total raise. So it's 500 more on top of 150.

Really? Why?

Obviously that's what all the cool kids are doing these days. It's an easier way to determine sizing too imo.

He's right. You do want to be cool... don't you v?

nh looks good.

i'm off the grid

so 2.2x is old school now?

I just was making **** up and being dumb. I just meant I prefer to measure 3b sizings that way and I didn't really have a solid reasoning other than I see players better than me doing it.

John this is pretty terrible advice

i saw this alot from you lately (these huge bets/raises to set up PSB jams). pretty bad to get value from bad players, just make std bets and try to get decisions in over multiple streets.
every street you can play vs bad players is a good one since you have more experience then them, can outplay them, get max value.
we dont want his continuing range preflop to beat us, thats why the 2.5-2.7x 3b OOP is perfect like OP did. let them continue with stuff we domiate with a lower SPR than if we just flat.
vs a 3x open i'd size the 2.4x-2.6x.
in position 2.0x-2.6xish. depends on the guy