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03-16-2017 , 10:53 AM
Hello,

I'm in no way an experienced poker player. I've been playing poker casually for a 3-4 years. I decided to try to take it more serious starting 2 months ago and invested in HM2.

Personally I think I played this tourney very well overall (except for this hand that cost me my tournament life) and this was my 3rd final table in a tourney with more than 1000+ participants, so my final table experience with payjumps and ICM isn't that good.

I would really appreciate your thoughts and advice on what to do next time so i can learn and get better.
What pocket pairs or any other hand would be ok to reshove in this exact situation?

Regards, from a player that has a lot to learn...

***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Poker Stars)
Tourney Hand NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, March 15, 10:26:21 ET 2017
Table 1849882646 7 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( 2756166 ) - VPIP: 38, PFR: 19, 3B: 22, AF: 0,5, Hands: 16
Seat 2: Player2 ( 2790048 ) - VPIP: 24, PFR: 20, 3B: 7, AF: 1,2, Hands: 128
Seat 3: Player3 ( 3424320 ) - VPIP: 32, PFR: 21, 3B: 6, AF: 1,3, Hands: 174
Seat 4: Hero ( 1049259 ) - VPIP: 31, PFR: 19, 3B: 9, AF: 2,3, Hands: 2334
Seat 5: Player5 ( 1213961 ) - VPIP: 17, PFR: 17, 3B: 17, AF: 0,0, Hands: 12
Seat 6: Player6 ( 3299143 ) - VPIP: 16, PFR: 16, 3B: 0, AF: 0,0, Hands: 19
Seat 7: Player7 ( 1653074 ) - VPIP: 24, PFR: 17, 3B: 10, AF: 2,3, Hands: 175
Seat 8: Player8 ( 4777634 ) - VPIP: 16, PFR: 10, 3B: 7, AF: 2,8, Hands: 129
Seat 9: Player9 ( 2881395 ) - VPIP: 12, PFR: 6, 3B: 0, AF: 0,0, Hands: 17
Player1 posts ante of [10000].
Player2 posts ante of [10000].
Player3 posts ante of [10000].
Hero posts ante of [10000].
Player5 posts ante of [10000].
Player6 posts ante of [10000].
Player7 posts ante of [10000].
Player8 posts ante of [10000].
Player9 posts ante of [10000].
Player1 posts small blind [40000].
Player2 posts big blind [80000].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 6s 6h ]
Player3 calls [80000]
Hero raises [1039259]
Player5 folds
Player6 folds
Player7 folds
Player8 folds
Player9 folds
Player1 folds
Player2 folds
Player3 calls [959259]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4d, 2c, Td ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Jc ]
** Dealing River ** [ 3d ]
Player3 shows [8d, 8c ]
Hero shows [6s, 6h ]
Player3 wins 2288518 from main pot

edit: sorry, no idea how to post the hand properly from the program :/..

basically he called 80k from UTG and i just reshoved right behind him
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03-16-2017 , 03:27 PM
No Limit Holdem Tournament
PokerStars9 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by WeakTight Poker Hand History Converter
Stacks:
UTG Player3 (3,424k) 43bb
UTG+1 Hero (1,049k) 13bb
MP1 Player5 (1,214k) 15bb
MP2 Player6 (3,299k) 41bb
MP3 Player7 (1,653k) 21bb
CO Player8 (4,778k) 60bb
BTN Player9 (2,881k) 36bb
SB Player1 (2,756k) 34bb
BB Player2 (2,790k) 35bbBlinds: 40k/80k Ante 10k
Pre-Flop: (210k, 9 players) Hero is UTG+1 6 6

Player3 calls 80k, Hero goes all-in 1,039k, 7 folds, Player3 calls 959k

Flop: 4 2 10 (2,289k, 2 players), 1 all-in
Turn: J (2,289k, 2), 1 all-in

River: 3 (2,289k, 2), 1 all-in
Final Pot: 2,289k
Player3 shows
8 8
Hero shows
6 6
Player3 wins 2,289k (net +1,239k)
Hero lost 1,049k

there you go
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03-16-2017 , 04:00 PM
I made the same mistake with 66 utg recently. Small pairs are just too risky from early position. You might get it through and steal the blinds but you'll never be happy if you get called as you'll always be just a small fav at best.

I think from utg+1 I would want 88+ and maybe even 99+.

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03-16-2017 , 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Panny1
No Limit Holdem Tournament
PokerStars9 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by WeakTight Poker Hand History Converter
Stacks:
UTG Player3 (3,424k) 43bb
UTG+1 Hero (1,049k) 13bb
MP1 Player5 (1,214k) 15bb
MP2 Player6 (3,299k) 41bb
MP3 Player7 (1,653k) 21bb
CO Player8 (4,778k) 60bb
BTN Player9 (2,881k) 36bb
SB Player1 (2,756k) 34bb
BB Player2 (2,790k) 35bbBlinds: 40k/80k Ante 10k
Pre-Flop: (210k, 9 players) Hero is UTG+1 6 6

Player3 calls 80k, Hero goes all-in 1,039k, 7 folds, Player3 calls 959k

Flop: 4 2 10 (2,289k, 2 players), 1 all-in
Turn: J (2,289k, 2), 1 all-in

River: 3 (2,289k, 2), 1 all-in
Final Pot: 2,289k
Player3 shows
8 8
Hero shows
6 6
Player3 wins 2,289k (net +1,239k)
Hero lost 1,049k

there you go
You're the man!
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03-16-2017 , 06:16 PM
I think the shove is fine, particularly with the limp that makes the pot even juicier to try and steal.
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03-16-2017 , 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Darth_Maul
I made the same mistake with 66 utg recently. Small pairs are just too risky from early position. You might get it through and steal the blinds but you'll never be happy if you get called as you'll always be just a small fav at best.

I think from utg+1 I would want 88+ and maybe even 99+.

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Dude, he has 13 BB here. Isn't this an Ok shove in this spot? I wouldn't fold 66s here with 13 BB. Sometimes you have to go go for it, and this is one of the spots i think.
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03-16-2017 , 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by spand42
I think the shove is fine, particularly with the limp that makes the pot even juicier to try and steal.
Yeah I agree here, we have 13 BB's, maybe its marginal/a close spot but I would for sure push here.
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03-16-2017 , 08:21 PM
Na not on the final table. I fold this. Even though we're the shortest stack I feel we have just about enough with 13BB to maybe wait a little longer.

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03-16-2017 , 08:30 PM
Thanks for the replies guys! Really appreciate it!

How about the payjumps? Is that something I should consider in this spot?

Would he call me if he limped with 2's up to 5's? If not, doesn't that make it a bad play? It seems like I'm only going to be called by better hands or at best a flip. And also it feels like it could be a trap as well with KK or AA, I've seen that play a few times.

What do you guys think?
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03-16-2017 , 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by ZaiLeNZe
Thanks for the replies guys! Really appreciate it!

How about the payjumps? Is that something I should consider in this spot?

Would he call me if he limped with 2's up to 5's? If not, doesn't that make it a bad play? It seems like I'm only going to be called by better hands or at best a flip. And also it feels like it could be a trap as well with KK or AA, I've seen that play a few times.

What do you guys think?
tbh I think its a REALLY close spot. Maybe a nitty fold is best for ICM considerations, but i'm not sure. I would have done the same in your spots.
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03-17-2017 , 12:13 AM
Definitely not an ICM shove.
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03-17-2017 , 03:34 AM
V's stats are not those of a habitual limper - hard to be sure about the range but I'm not sure we're ahead - I would also be worried about the trapping-with-a-monster play

A fold for me
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03-17-2017 , 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by ZaiLeNZe
Thanks for the replies guys! Really appreciate it!

How about the payjumps? Is that something I should consider in this spot?

Would he call me if he limped with 2's up to 5's? If not, doesn't that make it a bad play? It seems like I'm only going to be called by better hands or at best a flip. And also it feels like it could be a trap as well with KK or AA, I've seen that play a few times.

What do you guys think?
As far as pay jumps go, you are currently in last place so you dont have to worry about ICM and pay jumps that much. If there was a player with like 7bb and blinds were about to hit him, that would be a completely different story.

When I put this in icimizer, its clear fold. You can actually shove here only JJ+ and AK. But how many of us would fold TT or AQ here

This is super hard spot and not many people know, what to do here. Me included. Without experiencing tens and maybe hundreds of final tables, you wont know what to do so dont beat yourself over it
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03-17-2017 , 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by abecede
As far as pay jumps go, you are currently in last place so you dont have to worry about ICM and pay jumps that much. If there was a player with like 7bb and blinds were about to hit him, that would be a completely different story.

When I put this in icimizer, its clear fold. You can actually shove here only JJ+ and AK. But how many of us would fold TT or AQ here

This is super hard spot and not many people know, what to do here. Me included. Without experiencing tens and maybe hundreds of final tables, you wont know what to do so dont beat yourself over it
Yesterday I talked to a friend of mine who has won a lot of big tourneys. He told me that he would even consider folding 10's but probably not. So basically 1010+ or AK.
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03-17-2017 , 12:35 PM
you're in too early of a position and with an action before its a pretty easy fold.
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