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09-28-2016 , 06:50 AM
Live 55$ tourney , 6 max
Blinds 600/1200/200

Co raises (65k) to 3k
Btn 3b (80k) to 8.2k has been quite aggressive and seen him 3b fold a few times
Times
Hero in sb (50k) KQs ?
Didn't like folding, didn't really like calling oop, so do we rip or can we make it 19k and commit ourselves?
Thoughts?
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09-28-2016 , 07:51 AM
Interesting spot. I don't mind flatting here as this hand plays pretty well multi way even if you're OOP, if CO jams though do we call? Not sure I'd want to rip it in with your stack pre, but I guess if you have a tight image at the table then this could be a play. How was CO playing?
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09-28-2016 , 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by onehandatatime
I don't mind flatting here as this hand plays pretty well multi way even if you're OOP, if CO jams though do we call? How was CO playing?
Co playing kinda aggressive pre
but if we over call and Co rips or 4b (which he can do light), we have to fold
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09-28-2016 , 09:01 AM
It's tough because I think it's too good to fold and not quite good enough to GII and 3 bet/folding is bad. That's why I'd opt just to flat.
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09-28-2016 , 11:30 AM
i would flat the 3b being this deep
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09-28-2016 , 12:03 PM
Assuming Co and Button ranges are pretty equal (They are re-raising light)
If we give CO a range of 22+,A2s+J9s+,76s+,JTo+ which is kinda loose (If he noticed button 3betting a lot this may be smaller) we would be flipping if we got it in. (slight favorite)

However if the CO noticed that the Button is 3 betting a lot and plans on shoving over his 3bet his range may look more like: 66+, A9s+, JTs+, QJo which we would still be flipping. (slight dog)

I think calling and planning on folding is optimal; however, folding isn't bad as we are out of position.

With these stack sizes and the inflated pot, we are fold/shoving most boards (checking to induce on the best boards).
If flop comes with a draw AJ8, we have to shove if it comes low 853 we would have to fold to cbet. If we pick up flush draw, we shove.

But what do we do on AK2 or AQ2 boards? They have more aces than us when we are just calling preflop. So these are folding boards.
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09-28-2016 , 12:05 PM
I don't think I see how flatting can be +EV. I'm not sure I'd even have a flatting range here vs. described villains. The only candidate I see is maybe AQ, but jamming just seems preferable with AQ.

It's tough for us to gauge what "quite aggressive" means not having been at table, but based on that description I would probably jam here.
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09-28-2016 , 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by FranklinDRooseFELT
I don't think I see how flatting can be +EV. I'm not sure I'd even have a flatting range here vs. described villains. The only candidate I see is maybe AQ, but jamming just seems preferable with AQ.

It's tough for us to gauge what "quite aggressive" means not having been at table, but based on that description I would probably jam here.
Still think we're a little too deep to be stacking off with this hand, don't you think?
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