Not close to the bubble yet. The open raiser had nitty PFR stats but in a very small sample. I wasn't sure what to do pre, and then on the flop after I decided to flat pre.

with him only having 12 bb's, I'm 3 betting pf and gii.

As played, I'm raise/isolating his shove. He could have TT, AK/AQ/flush draw.

Why re jam? Other V is not folding QQ and this only incentivises him to fold worse.

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Agree with this , Jc takes away incentive to jam.

I'm guessing he would 3bet qq, maybe maybe flat maybe raise w kk/aa but I do see your point.

However, in this particular spot I would still isolate because the board is pretty draw heavy and I wouldn't want anyone drawing for cheap/er. Also, we only have 20+bb's so I think it's a good spot to take control of the pot and gii with what is likely the best hand. I'd hate to have to fold with like 15 or so bb's on river if dude makes a huge bet/raise.

I think if we had just flatted here w like AA with the ace of clubs or maybe if we had like 35bb's+ I could see playing it a little slower. But our hand is still pretty vulnerable.

We have less than half a pot sized bet behind. We are not folding any turns or rivers as we'd need ~15% equity to GII.

If we call it allows him to make the mistake of putting in a large amount of chips when behind. Jamming minimises the chance of MP2 making that mistake.

FWIW after calling I'm jamming every turn.

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Good point!

So how many of you would 3b pre?

As for the flop, sounds like some are advocating shoving to isolate and others are advocating calling to keep MP2 in the hand.


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He is raising from a stack of 13 BB, I would 3bet in this spot and just get the money in pre against UTG raiser, he is probably going to jam any flop considering his stack size.

Pre is the more interesting spot for me and also a call.

Ignoring the tendency of people with short stacks in micro mtts to jam all but the top of their range here (putting us in quite a bad spot). When we 3! An utg short stack range we will be getting in vs a very strong range that we are behind.

Consider UTG holding 99. This seems like standard micro MTT player would jam as we all know it's a good hand that doesn't flop well for a short stack. Consider AK AQ. These are also jams as he'd want to see all 5 cards rather than x/fold a flop. I would like to have some reads on UTGs opening range but when we 3! We'll tend to fold out KQ, AT etc the bottom of his range.

However if we call we disguise our hand and can have the multiple short stacks shove worse hands behind us. Also we get to play IP on the opener if no one shoves.

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This is precisely what I hate about JJ in this spot. I'm in terrible shape against the range that will shove over my 3b. Calling gives me the opportunity to get away from the hand if an A/K falls on the flop, but also risks a multiway pot.

I think you're also right about the benefit of enticing a shortstack behind to shove, I didn't think of that at the time.

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A lot of people are overcomplicating this - stacks are too short to get fancy
Jam pre
As played jam the flop - there is zero point in just calling - we're obviously pot committed it doesn't look weaker - if anything it looks like we're trying to induce a shove. It would be a terrible play for MP2 to call the flop and fold the turn.

I remember someone saying in another thread - there's a reason standard plays are standard

Our stack is surely too big to jam pre?

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Buy in ninety cents.

Someone minraises with 12bb UTG.

Can have 86s there.

3bet pre.

It's definitely possible this is only QQ+ or KK+, but readless at this buy in I don't want to fold when people can have so much worse.

As played pre, flop seems good.

Maybe on the first level but ranges aren't generally going to be this loose at this stage in the tourney. And although it was a small sample (20 hands or so), his PFR was only 4% if I recall correctly.

In any case, it's good to confirm I didn't play the hand terribly. There's a debate about calling or 3-betting pre but I think a good case could be made for either one.

I did shove the flop. The other guy folded, villain called and turned over QQ. Cost me half my stack and I wasn't able to recover enough to cash in this one.

I think pre is either way, definitely pros and cons for both, literally 50/50 for me.

Flop I like a shove here. UL with how it turned out.

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The reason why this hand is giving you a headache is because you should re-raise and put him all in pre ! No decision anymore and let the cards roll out It's def. a profitable move.

Jam pre man, saves us this mess of a hand. It's a micro tourney and villain has 12bb's. Flatting and folding just seem bad. It's true that min raises like this with a short stack is usually a nutted hand, but it's a $0.90 mtt so this would play a big factor on my decision.

As played, if you're flatting with JJ and the board comes all lower cards, then I'm not sure what decision there is other than to GII, were you really just hoping for a Jack? I mean if you called this pre and see that flop it's pretty much your best case scenario besides the Jack falling.

Just 3bet preflop and call 12BB shove if everyone else fold