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Old 05-21-2012, 04:54 AM   #1
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AQs deep in tournament facing a resteal.

    Poker Stars, $3 Buy-in (3,000/6,000 blinds, 750 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12934922

    Hero (BTN): 212,376 (35.4 bb)
    SB: 267,904 (44.7 bb)
    BB: 148,995 (24.8 bb)
    UTG+2: 159,043 (26.5 bb)
    MP1: 258,557 (43.1 bb)
    MP2: 302,620 (50.4 bb)
    MP3: 106,264 (17.7 bb)
    CO: 217,761 (36.3 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with A Q
    5 folds, Hero raises to 18,000, SB raises to 267,154 and is all-in, BB folds, Hero calls 193,626 and is all-in

    Flop: (435,252) 8 T 6 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
    Turn: (435,252) A (2 players, 2 are all-in)
    River: (435,252) 9 (2 players, 2 are all-in)




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    I had been raising a fair number of hands nothing too crazy. Should I have folded here.

    That player according to my sharkscope HUD was a winning player
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    Old 05-21-2012, 09:16 PM   #2
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    Re: AQs deep in tournament facing a resteal.

    2.5x max on your open. With only this information I'm calling his shove.
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    Old 05-21-2012, 09:24 PM   #3
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    Re: AQs deep in tournament facing a resteal.

    Do you not find you get way more calls with smaller raises.
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    Old 05-21-2012, 09:29 PM   #4
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    Re: AQs deep in tournament facing a resteal.

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    Do you not find you get way more calls with smaller raises.
    Sometimes, but as stacks get shallower a 2x-2.5x open does the same thing as 3x+ raise. so its cheaper when u steal.
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    Old 05-21-2012, 09:35 PM   #5
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    Re: AQs deep in tournament facing a resteal.

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    Sometimes, but as stacks get shallower a 2x-2.5x open does the same thing as 3x+ raise. so its cheaper when u steal.
    Exactly that. Plus as you get shallower there's much less urgency to build the pot preflop with your value hands.
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    Old 05-22-2012, 01:00 AM   #6
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    Re: AQs deep in tournament facing a resteal.

    Raise smaller pre for sure. As played if SB is not a mental case and is a solid-tight profitable player, I expect to see AK and middly pocket pairs almost always here, so I don't necessarily love calling, but if you raised that much pre, maybe you have to. I'd be a lot more confident about a decision here if I had some idea of how villain plays; against a nit I'd mostly fold, and against someone I know will resteal wide, I'd snap call.
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    Old 05-22-2012, 02:19 PM   #7
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    Re: AQs deep in tournament facing a resteal.

    Madafaka,cant open 3x it is toooo big here,you should open only 2-2,5x with this blinds and antes.
    His shove looks strange....effective stack is 34bb,i don understand his action..if he had 25>bb okay it is standard but with 35bb it is very strange.I guess he could have strong hands AA,KK,QQ,AK here and he doesnt know strategy of blinds or he is moron and he wanna to make you scary to call here.
    STATS ??? will help me....without them i have to quess what does he have...i guess he has 88+,A9s+,AQ+,KQ,KJs.....maybe tighter
    Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

    140,408,928 games 0.000 secs 28,081,785,600 games/sec

    Board:
    Dead:

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 49.364% 43.65% 05.71% 61290747 8021213.00 { AhQh }
    Hand 1: 50.636% 44.92% 05.71% 63075755 8021213.00 { 88+, A9s+, KJs+, AQo+, KQo }


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    140,408,928 games 0.000 secs 28,081,785,600 games/sec

    Board:
    Dead:

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 49.364% 43.65% 05.71% 61290747 8021213.00 { AhQh }
    Hand 1: 50.636% 44.92% 05.71% 63075755 8021213.00 { 88+, A9s+, KJs+, AQo+, KQo }


    you have 50% of equity....CALL
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    Old 05-22-2012, 06:49 PM   #8
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    Re: AQs deep in tournament facing a resteal.

    you should not 3x with your stacksize once there are antes

    a winning player 3b/c better hands mostly. at worst he has AK or you flip, but he can have random hands like AT/AJs and/or the same hand.
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    Old 05-22-2012, 07:10 PM   #9
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    Re: AQs deep in tournament facing a resteal.

    folding to the shove, better spots etc...
    czechark your range is too wide. it's mainly AK + pairs.
    even if we get the right price with :

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 45.145% 39.70% 05.45% 40785906 5595234.00 { AcQc }
    Hand 1: 54.855% 49.41% 05.45% 50761866 5595234.00 { 88+, AJo+ }

    it's just too marginal to punt your stack there (even though might not be terrible mistake)
    And even if we 3xed pre, it's not a reason to justify a call, it's just 1 bb total compared to 2.5x pre (ie by making a mistake in 1rst raise, I tend to think we make a bigger mistake calling and 1bb total not gonna change that much in long run)
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    Old 05-22-2012, 09:07 PM   #10
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    Re: AQs deep in tournament facing a resteal.

    as people said before... fold
    he is shoving 32bbs effective against you... his range its clearly the top... dont think a winning player would shove something less like ATs+, AJo+, 77+ here... not with that stack, shoving 32bbs is kinda of a overbet here...
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    Old 05-22-2012, 10:23 PM   #11
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    Re: AQs deep in tournament facing a resteal.

    Seems like a pretty trivial call...

    he's probably never shoving QQ+ for that much, and if you've been raising a good amount of pots then a range like 88+ AJ+ is kind of ridiculous button vs blind.

    I'd range him something closer to 66-QQ, A8s+, ATo+, KQ. We have 56% against that range.

    And before people want to rule out hands like A7s and KJs (which I didn't include), do you really think he's folding them to a button open? Is he flatting them? If he's capable of shoving here I don't think those hands should be ruled out whatsoever.
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    Old 05-22-2012, 10:58 PM   #12
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    Re: AQs deep in tournament facing a resteal.

    Just to point something out, 32bb isn't really that much of an overshove against our 3x open. A normal 3b oop against our 3bb open would be like 7.5bb which consumes nearly 1/4 of his 32bb stack. Now imagine if someone shoved 20bb over our minraise instead of making a std oop 3b to 4.8bb (again, it would've been ~1/4 of his stack). I'm just saying it isn't too ridiculous of an overbet. It's a resteal, he's smart, we've been active, I assume we've been raising 3x everytime, it's late so he could be making a light ICM move, and I'm not so sure that 3b/folding small pp's is any better than jamming them from his position. I'd still gii w AQs.
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    Old 05-22-2012, 11:46 PM   #13
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    Re: AQs deep in tournament facing a resteal.

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    Raise smaller pre for sure. As played if SB is not a mental case and is a solid-tight profitable player, I expect to see AK and middly pocket pairs almost always here, so I don't necessarily love calling, but if you raised that much pre, maybe you have to. I'd be a lot more confident about a decision here if I had some idea of how villain plays; against a nit I'd mostly fold, and against someone I know will resteal wide, I'd snap call.
    +1 You are going to be flipping or F@#cked 95% of the time.
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    Old 05-24-2012, 01:56 AM   #14
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    Re: AQs deep in tournament facing a resteal.

    Don't know how anyone answers without PRF VPIP and 3Bet stats... it's just guessing. It not a snap call by any means.
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    Re: AQs deep in tournament facing a resteal.

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    Don't know how anyone answers without PRF VPIP and 3Bet stats... it's just guessing. It not a snap call by any means.
    because it's in the OP and i guess he did not have reads on the player or does not run a HUD .
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