So this hand is technically from the 1/2 price sunday mill a few weeks ago, but I thought it was an interesting spot. I'd rather put it here than the mid stakes forum just b/c I know everyone here a little better, and the field was pretty soft so it played like a SSMTT.

Blinds 120/600/1200

V1 (UTG) 43K : Canadian aggro player been playing fairly well. c/r me OTF a couple hands b4 this one came up.

V2 (BTN) 136K: Another Canadian, this one was LAG bad, definitely one of the table fish, seen him make a few aggressive punts.

Hero (MP1) 61K: playing tight good, few 3 bets, hasn't gone to SD much.

V1 raises to 3,000
Hero w AK raises to 8,500
V2 calls, V1 calls

Pot: 28,500
Flop: 8 J J

V1 checks,
Hero bets 12,000
V2 raises All in
V1 calls 34k all in

Hero? 40k behind

Fold I guess?

id check back flop for sure. as played, flip a coin.

Decent chance one of them has Jx given the action. But if you think you're ahead of V2 for the side pot, it might be worth a shot at a huge pot.

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He's drawing to the nut flush, this is a great bluff spot, checking back is waaaay too passive.

if this is a "bluff spot" what better hand folds? its a weird merge if we bet this flop with a hand that has great playability on all runouts/sd value/and a somewhat "disguised" draw. also when a lot of money goes in otf, we are usually in not that great shape.

An 8 probably folds on a double barrel. And he also folds his gutshots too, we are also maybe getting value from other flush draws.

barreling with fds usually isnt optimal because we block so many combos that we want our opponent to have. no you also kind of switched from this being a good bluff spot to it being a good spot for vbets against other weaker draws that villain might have. that kind if shows the problem with betting this hand or even barreling. we are betting because "omg i haz a flushdraw" but actually just clicking btns. also if we bet this combo we can pretty much never have flushes when checking back flop in this spot and the flush coming in ott.

Betting flush draws is very standard because of what I mentioned above and it disguises our hand. I'm not going to argue with you about this, but if you want to play poker passively go ahead.

lol

Before everyone gets too salty it is an interesting discussion. Daviid your argument sounds very Polk-esk, I take it you've read the "20 rules for playing a FD in 2017" he put out. I downloaded it and read it, sounds like he advocates the check line too. Good read, would recommend.

You means us having a flush draw will block others having a draw aswell?

Checking the flop seems not that great tbh. We likely just have the best hand here and can redraw since unlikely full or quads on this board obv. We're the 3b and we can't really c/c btn's bet and he likely checks back a lot too. The reason you wanna bluff your FD's on boards like this is cause we can have aces etc too. We also have max equity on the flop with two cards to come and that's when you want to bluff mostly. Checking flop some of the time is ok I guess but I'd rather just bet, if the board wasn't paired we could c/r jam some of the time I guess with FD+overs or maybe FD+gutter etc.

I think aces would be a prime candidate for a check here as well, as I'd like to have a more polarized range for betting that flop. And I think if it goes x-x-b-f we can shove against that certain villain.
I'm also in the check-camp, but betting can't be that bad with our spr and bc we're sandwiched

I think we're trapped here pretty much and can't fold now, but it's not an ideal spot. I'm not putting 33% of my stack in to fold with the NFD getting 3:1.

I would have rather checked and shoved over a BTN raise or had an opportunity to decide whether to play for stacks if the BB shoved over the BTN. We obviously have a lot of equity, but if it goes in on the flop we're just drawing. I'd rather see a turn or take a more aggressive line on the flop with this hand.

Additionally, I do not like the cbet sizing. This is a 3b pot and you have a big draw. Any bet commits you against V1, and V2 is likely to bluff you off a lot of your equity if given an opportunity. I would either check or pot it to make it very clear you aren't folding and maximize your own fold equity.

thank you everyone for the replies. Some good points here

Results:

never checking flop and overcalling jam here on a paired board.

pretty std line by hindsight imo

checking flop doesn't let us realise our equity as much as betting so would never do that