Big $11 40bb deep Villain is 30/20 over 80 hands and just has me covered. He has 3bet my BTN raises a good few times so far and every time i've folded.



Not sure what to do in this spot with this stack size against aggro sb. Feel like I'm too deep to shove and if I 4bet I'm committed if he shoves. Is there an argument for flatting here leaving 30bb back or would you 4bet/call off or even shove?

Against an aggro player IP yes 4b the s*** out of him. If he shoves, no sweat get it in here.

4500/call - jam any flop if flatted.

3750/c

+1

4bet/c

To the above 5 posters: Why are we only 4bet/calling if we plan on calling any shove or shoving any flop? Why wouldn't we want to shove to induce a fold if he's holding something like 77-QQ instead of coinflipping? By 4betting with the intention of going all in on any flop, aren't we also giving hands like AJ, AQ, KQ, KJ etc a chance to draw out on us otf instead of just having to fold to our PF shove?

To the above 1 poster: We don't expect him to flat much at all. We are giving him the illusion of fold equity and the chance to jam worse. He won't be 3b/f 77-QQ so his 5b jamming range is the same as his call off range except it can include bluffs too

You do realise it's good for us when worse flats pre, right?

Thanks for the responses guys. Glad to hear there are more experienced MTTer's who'd play it the same. I did 4bet to give the false impression of fold equity with the intention to call off. Low and behold he shoved, I snapped, he showed JJ and it held.

I don't normally want to be getting it in pre this deep w AK but against this aggro sb it was a must. I guess even the most aggro of aggrotards wake up with a hand sometimes!

testify

4076/call

i like 4bet/c or if flatted jam any flop, agaisnt this opponent, but against an opponent w more solid stats i would utilize my FE and 4bet jam it all in to bluff away 88-JJ and AK.

so 4 betting is better than shoving here?

villain dependent, if they are button clickers and there is the history for it, then yes.