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AK on AKx board, bad play or just cooler? AK on AKx board, bad play or just cooler?

04-25-2017 , 07:52 AM
Last 20 men in 5$ deepstack on 888 poker, table of mostly (i think) regulars. No specific table dynamics, everyone was playing good poker. Did i do something wrong or it was just cooler? Thanks for replying



    Pacific, $4.50 Buy-in (1,000/2,000 blinds, 250 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37710539

    Hero (SB): 124,125 (62.1 bb)
    BB: 83,540 (41.8 bb)
    UTG+2: 29,864 (14.9 bb)
    MP1: 181,836 (90.9 bb)
    MP2: 102,712 (51.4 bb)
    MP3: 123,650 (61.8 bb)
    CO: 56,697 (28.3 bb)
    BTN: 62,018 (31 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with A K :: ::
    UTG+2 folds, MP1 raises to 4,000, 3 folds, BTN calls 4,000, Hero raises to 17,875, BB folds, MP1 calls 13,875, BTN folds

    Flop: (43,750) 9 A K (2 players)
    MP1 bets 15,875, Hero raises to 38,000, MP1 calls 22,125

    Turn: (119,750) Q (2 players)
    Hero bets 68,000 and is all-in, MP1 calls 68,000

    River: (255,750) 8 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: 255,750 pot
    Final Board: 9 A K Q 8
    Hero showed A K :: :: and lost (-124,125 net)
    MP1 showed A A :: :: and won 255,750 (131,625 net)



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    AK on AKx board, bad play or just cooler? Quote
    04-25-2017 , 07:58 AM
    Here are stats

    Seat 10 is the button
    Seat 1: Hero ( 124125 ) - VPIP: 16, PFR: 12, 3B: 5, AF: 1.7, Hands: 32972
    Seat 2: Player2 ( 83540 ) - VPIP: 12, PFR: 12, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 26
    Seat 3: Player3 ( 29864 ) - VPIP: 16, PFR: 11, 3B: 7, AF: 0.7, Hands: 103
    Seat 5: Player5 ( 181836 ) - VPIP: 20, PFR: 15, 3B: 9, AF: 3.2, Hands: 277
    Seat 6: Player6 ( 102712 ) - VPIP: 23, PFR: 14, 3B: 3, AF: 3.7, Hands: 83
    Seat 7: Player7 ( 123650 ) - VPIP: 40, PFR: 20, 3B: 0, AF: 1.0, Hands: 5
    Seat 9: Player9 ( 56697 ) - VPIP: 27, PFR: 13, 3B: 3, AF: 2.0, Hands: 77
    Seat 10: Player10 ( 62018 ) - VPIP: 26, PFR: 16, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 19
    AK on AKx board, bad play or just cooler? Quote
    04-25-2017 , 08:26 AM
    Are you suggesting that you should have known he had exactly a set and should have slowed down?

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    04-25-2017 , 09:12 AM
    Well that was first what comes into my mind when i think about that hand... Was playing almost 6 hour,s almost perfect, dodging many situations like this, and maybe my concentration was low at that point. My question is how can i avoid those situations, if theres anyting to avoid, how to narrow his range so i can easily fold those 2 pairs and not wonder if i did right thing? I could fold and sit on 40bb's. I know that i can say that exact thing on almost every situation which is not nuts, but i really feel like im low skill player if i cant lay down that type of hand.
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    04-25-2017 , 10:02 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by markopop991
    Well that was first what comes into my mind when i think about that hand... Was playing almost 6 hour,s almost perfect, dodging many situations like this, and maybe my concentration was low at that point. My question is how can i avoid those situations, if theres anyting to avoid, how to narrow his range so i can easily fold those 2 pairs and not wonder if i did right thing? I could fold and sit on 40bb's. I know that i can say that exact thing on almost every situation which is not nuts, but i really feel like im low skill player if i cant lay down that type of hand.
    you're being results oriented lol
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    04-25-2017 , 10:26 AM
    If effective stacks were 150bb deep, then you can discuss the best way to play top 2. And even then it won't be a very long discussion. But when you flop top 2 with 60bb effective stacks, the money is going in.

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    04-25-2017 , 10:35 AM
    You could narrow his range down based on his actions,

    He called a reraise pre (strong hand)
    He raised again on flop (strong hand) and calls another reraise (very strong hand)
    I think I like slowing down on the turn and hope to see a cheap river.

    As is, I think you just ran into aces and it sucks, nothing wrong with the way you was played it.
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    04-25-2017 , 10:46 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Glaciem
    you're being results oriented lol
    You're very helpful lol
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    04-25-2017 , 10:48 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Darth_Maul
    If effective stacks were 150bb deep, then you can discuss the best way to play top 2. And even then it won't be a very long discussion. But when you flop top 2 with 60bb effective stacks, the money is going in.

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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Jam52633
    You could narrow his range down based on his actions,

    He called a reraise pre (strong hand)
    He raised again on flop (strong hand) and calls another reraise (very strong hand)
    I think I like slowing down on the turn and hope to see a cheap river.

    As is, I think you just ran into aces and it sucks, nothing wrong with the way you was played it.
    Thanks guys, really.
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    04-25-2017 , 12:14 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Darth_Maul
    If effective stacks were 150bb deep, then you can discuss the best way to play top 2. And even then it won't be a very long discussion. But when you flop top 2 with 60bb effective stacks, the money is going in.

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    Agree!
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    04-25-2017 , 01:45 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Jam52633
    You could narrow his range down based on his actions,

    He called a reraise pre (strong hand)
    He raised again on flop (strong hand) and calls another reraise (very strong hand)
    I think I like slowing down on the turn and hope to see a cheap river.

    As is, I think you just ran into aces and it sucks, nothing wrong with the way you was played it.
    your action is wrong on the flop, he leads with a bet and then calls a raise.

    You slow down on the turn and vil puts you all in, then what? you're gonna fold top two with ridiculous odds cause we have 60k left and pot would be 190k+? don't be silly.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by markopop991
    You're very helpful lol
    and telling you to not be results oriented is the best bit of advice you're going to get on this hand from anyone. Everyone is going to say the same thing, you have 60bb and top two, you're getting it in against a wider range then just a set on that board. If you continue to be results oriented with your play then this will influence your decisions and you will either do something that is negative EV or miss out on a positive EV spot because that random hand you played 2 months ago which was correct move you lost.

    So yes, saying don't be results oriented is EXTREMELY helpful.
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    04-25-2017 , 07:46 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Glaciem
    your action is wrong on the flop, he leads with a bet and then calls a raise.

    You slow down on the turn and vil puts you all in, then what? you're gonna fold top two with ridiculous odds cause we have 60k left and pot would be 190k+? don't be silly.



    and telling you to not be results oriented is the best bit of advice you're going to get on this hand from anyone. Everyone is going to say the same thing, you have 60bb and top two, you're getting it in against a wider range then just a set on that board. If you continue to be results oriented with your play then this will influence your decisions and you will either do something that is negative EV or miss out on a positive EV spot because that random hand you played 2 months ago which was correct move you lost.

    So yes, saying don't be results oriented is EXTREMELY helpful.
    Thats what i call a reply Thanks dude, was that so hard to say? Ur right, im new to poker, and yes maybe im result oriented. I just found that "ur result oriented", and nothing more, answer too rude, even when that answer is for a "fish". Thanks again
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