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03-16-2019 , 04:07 PM

miguelin43

adept

Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 820

Hi guys
Only 12 left, i am 2º
BB is super nit; SB is reg but not really active in defending his SB
Dont remember that i was specially active......

Should we shove or just make a 2BB raise? And in this last case we call the resteal/shove?

[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.90 Buy-in (2,800/5,600 blinds, 700 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: 65,806 (11.8 bb)
BB: 79,472 (14.2 bb)
MP: 70,184 (12.5 bb)
CO: 131,849 (23.5 bb)
Hero (BTN): 193,023 (34.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 8

2 folds, Hero ???

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03-16-2019 , 04:26 PM

xamlop

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I would 2x JJ+ sometimes and a few r/f anything else should be a shove imo especially hands that are obv r/c like 88 but don't specially want to induce from random overcards. R/f would be ridiculous given stack sizes.

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03-16-2019 , 09:26 PM

jjpregler

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Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,974

A shove is standard here. I can't see any reason to deviate from a standard play here.

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03-18-2019 , 12:56 AM

V-Delaney

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Nah I r/c this for sure

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03-18-2019 , 07:04 AM

Voltencity

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No point in shoving when everyone on the table has smaller stacks then you. Just PFR.

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03-18-2019 , 07:07 AM

nonsimplesimon

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I like inducing.

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03-18-2019 , 07:20 AM

mikeajax15

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Yep r/c and inducing re-shoves from lower pp

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03-18-2019 , 05:33 PM

miguelin43

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Originally Posted by Voltencity

No point in shoving when everyone on the table has smaller stacks then you. Just PFR.

This i dont understand...can you elaborate more?

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03-19-2019 , 02:13 AM

fraleyight

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Originally Posted by miguelin43

This i dont understand...can you elaborate more?

Shoving scares away a lot of hands you have dominated. 22-66 fold a shove sometimes but will Almost always reshove.

You also have weak aces that will do the same.

Hands that have you crushed you’re not folding to anyway. Same goes for races so you make the most money by r/c here.

I like a bet sizing closer to 2.5 instead of 2 though. Some people will flat for a min raise and that’s the last thing we want.

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03-19-2019 , 10:55 AM

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jjpregler

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However, on the flip side inducing a shove is a higher variance play, especially when what you are inducing are shoves from hands that have solid equity versus 88. Nearing the FT bubble, I think the lower variance option is clearly much better.

But also, what happens when the BB plays a stop and go and there are 2 overs to your 88?

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03-19-2019 , 12:10 PM

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fraleyight

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Originally Posted by jjpregler

How often do people use the stop and go in a 1.00 tourney? Not very many people at these stakes will call with less than 8s and push on a flop with two overs.

Also with hero’s stack size, playing to win and chip accumulation are more important than moving up the money ladder.

It is thin but ultimately I still think r/c is slightly more optimal.

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03-19-2019 , 04:23 PM

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jjpregler

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It's all looks super great when you just phrase it to get the smaller pairs to shove. There are 42 smaller pairs.

Let's ignore the higher pairs and AJ+, as they all get in no matter what. But look at all of the other Broadways that you are also inducing shoves from: there are 112 other Broadway hands that we induce shoves from that all have equity versus 88.

You can't look at one end and say it's great to have this result and ignore the other end, where the result would be bad.

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03-19-2019 , 05:01 PM

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Colin_Piddle

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I think a raise fold is better. With a raise fold ur range is wider. Just piling into 4 people indicates at the very least you have A5s k9s plus somewhere in that range, people are going to fold anything marginal.

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03-25-2019 , 09:56 AM

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fraleyight

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Originally Posted by jjpregler

Huh? Which broadway hands have equity against us? 88 is favored against any overcard combos.

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