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08-09-2017 , 04:39 PM
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Hi,

I should 3bet bigger pre.
what are we doing ott turn here w/o A spade. There are too many hands villain could rep otr when hero checks turn.





    Poker Stars, $6.82 Buy-in (125/250 blinds, 30 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37806450

    MP3: 15,117 (60.5 bb)
    CO: 4,331 (17.3 bb)
    BTN: 7,755 (31 bb)
    SB: 24,518 (98.1 bb)
    BB: 3,626 (14.5 bb)
    UTG+1: 5,598 (22.4 bb)
    UTG+2: 21,315 (85.3 bb)
    MP1: 12,654 (50.6 bb)
    Hero (MP2): 8,421 (33.7 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K A
    UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 raises to 625, MP1 calls 625, Hero raises to 2,077, 6 folds, MP1 calls 1,452

    Flop: (5,424) 8 K 2 (2 players)
    MP1 checks, Hero bets 2,370, MP1 calls 2,370

    Turn: (10,164) 7 (2 players)
    MP1 checks, Hero checks

    River: (10,164) 6 (2 players)
    MP1 bets 5,590,




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    08-09-2017 , 08:03 PM
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    your sizing are huge. id b/c turn. checking occasionally with AsKx.
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    08-10-2017 , 03:06 AM
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    shove turn
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    08-10-2017 , 03:13 AM
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    This hand could have be a lot more interesting If you bet the turn and he called. As such you have allowed yourself to potentially be bluffed, its quite difficult to range him here. As played Its close but I think I fold, sucks if he had KQ, but think he has a flush/or a set here a decent amount.
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    08-10-2017 , 05:25 AM
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    Against calling station you can bet or shove turn with AK
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    08-10-2017 , 04:09 PM
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    Quote:
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    your sizing are huge. id b/c turn. checking occasionally with AsKx.
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    shove turn
    totally agree!!!!
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    08-11-2017 , 09:01 PM
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    Never shoving turn you can exploit me but I think it's pretty bad vs station. Villain occasionally check shoves worse K's and I'd lean toward fd and 88. I rarely see players shove on this board for value.
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    08-11-2017 , 09:13 PM
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    Quote:
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    This hand could have be a lot more interesting If you bet the turn and he called. As such you have allowed yourself to potentially be bluffed, its quite difficult to range him here. As played Its close but I think I fold, sucks if he had KQ, but think he has a flush/or a set here a decent amount.
    Yea it seems like -> ATss,JTss,88,sometimes KTsKQs but I don't mind getting outplayed this early
    If we bet ott what's our sizing? I think checking is much better hoping villains checks to us otr.
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    08-12-2017 , 12:07 AM
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    why on earth would we be doing anything other than cb flop to set up turn jam?
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    08-12-2017 , 04:20 AM
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    Quote:
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    why on earth would we be doing anything other than cb flop to set up turn jam?
    I don't mind checking back flop and see how villain responds on the turn. The thing is nowadays, that the first check by v is mandatory. People expect you to cbet flop. If you check back flop now v has to make a decision ott. If he then checks his range is unbalanced and most of the time very weak. The reason I say this is the following. Let's say you open and get called. Flop comes 853. V checks and you check you AK. Turn is Tx. Nowadays people valuebet third pair for value. If they now check they're range is down to bottom pair/ A high. In this hand I don't mind checking and see how v acts on turn and make a delayed cbet.
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    08-12-2017 , 04:44 AM
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    I don't mind checking back flop and see how villain responds on the turn. The thing is nowadays, that the first check by v is mandatory. People expect you to cbet flop. If you check back flop now v has to make a decision ott. If he then checks his range is unbalanced and most of the time very weak. The reason I say this is the following. Let's say you open and get called. Flop comes 853. V checks and you check you AK. Turn is Tx. Nowadays people valuebet third pair for value. If they now check they're range is down to bottom pair/ A high. In this hand I don't mind checking and see how v acts on turn and make a delayed cbet.


    checking back some Kx hands is fine however AK with no spade should def be bet otf. Kx combos that we want to check back should generally be weaker ones (because its tougher to get three streets from worse) and/or contain a spade so that they have better playability on turns and rivers. KxTs for example would be a reasonable check back because it has decent playability on spade turns as well as ones that bring a straight draw. KxTs is also never getting three streets of value from worse hands unless it improves.
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    08-12-2017 , 05:02 AM
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    Quote:
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    checking back some Kx hands is fine however AK with no spade should def be bet otf. Kx combos that we want to check back should generally be weaker ones (because its tougher to get three streets from worse) and/or contain a spade so that they have better playability on turns and rivers. KxTs for example would be a reasonable check back because it has decent playability on spade turns as well as ones that bring a straight draw. KxTs is also never getting three streets of value from worse hands unless it improves.
    I love the way you think. Your answers have surprised me a several times in different topics. Can you help me get more like that theoretical information? Or where can I learn to think poker instead of just copying.
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    08-12-2017 , 05:37 AM
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by wowsooooted
    why on earth would we be doing anything other than cb flop to set up turn jam?
    This ^

    You're giving a pot of 10k as a present to him by folding...

    I like the Cbet the flop for value, turn I would shove

    Callingstation? Good!
    stack him off here. A callingstation doesnt believe you have a strong hand, he is mostly thinking you're bluffin
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