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Old 06-10-2012, 12:05 AM   #1
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$6 deepstack: standard shove otf or fold

Hey guys. It's my first time ever reviewing my own hand histories, so I hope I am not posting anything redundant or useless.

Here's the situation: UTG is a 50% VPIP fish over 50 hands. Shoved A7 a few hands ago from E.P. position with over 100 BB and doubled me up with aces. Limped in because I didn't want him spazzing on me. Everyone involved in the hand PF is weak (me included :P). In any case, I don't know if my play is the higher variance route or the 3k in dead money makes this pretty much easily +ev against their ranges? I feel like the only two options here are shove/fold. Is there any way you're folding here?

    Party, $5.40 Buy-in (60/120 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 10 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13168751

    BB: 11,067 (92.2 bb)
    MP1: 1,998 (16.7 bb)
    Hero (UTG+2): 6,676 (55.6 bb)
    UTG+1: 9,458 (78.8 bb)
    SB: 4,485 (37.4 bb)
    BTN: 12,968 (108.1 bb)
    CO: 5,860 (48.8 bb)
    UTG: 10,504 (87.5 bb)
    MP3: 2,755 (23 bb)
    MP2: 8,274 (69 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with A T
    UTG calls 120, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls 120, 4 folds, BTN raises to 240, SB folds, BB calls 120, UTG calls 120, Hero calls 120

    Flop: (1,020) 5 4 9 (4 players)
    BB bets 1,020, UTG calls 1,020, Hero raises to 6,436 and is all-in, 2 folds, UTG calls 5,416





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    Old 06-10-2012, 12:43 AM   #2
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    Re: $6 deepstack: standard shove otf or fold

    Someone leads out for a pot-sized bet into four people, which should basically never ever be a bluff, and someone calls... so if you shove, you're getting called for sure. That's fine - you have basically coinflip equity against most hands that might call you here, to go with some dead money. But if I have what might be 15 outs to a winner on the flop, I don't want one call. I want five calls! I mean, if you're getting all in here and you make your flush, you want as many people in the pot as you can get. So I don't want to shove here and only have the one strongest hand calling me. I think I want to put in a small raise, even a min-raise, and get as many calls as possible knowing I'm all in on any turn card.
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    Old 06-10-2012, 02:04 PM   #3
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    Re: $6 deepstack: standard shove otf or fold

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    you have basically coinflip equity against most hands that might call you here
    I don't understand how do you get 50% equity here?

    And how is 15 outs good against a made hand? Assuming he only has a pair...
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    Old 06-10-2012, 03:56 PM   #4
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    Re: $6 deepstack: standard shove otf or fold

    interesting idea by Kami. I'd keep things simple and just shove otf like you did. Your equity is great so don't fold.

    Iso pre, don't limp.
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    Old 06-10-2012, 05:30 PM   #5
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    Re: $6 deepstack: standard shove otf or fold

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    I don't understand how do you get 50% equity here?

    And how is 15 outs good against a made hand? Assuming he only has a pair...
    The way these guys were playing, they had top pair AT BEST. I easily had two over cards and a flush draw.They were all spastic and would've raised any pocket pair pf. It's why I limped in, I wanted to keep the pot relatively small against super spaz (UTG).

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    I think I want to put in a small raise, even a min-raise, and get as many calls as possible knowing I'm all in on any turn card.
    Didn't even consider this line. Very nice.

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    Old 06-11-2012, 04:18 AM   #6
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    Re: $6 deepstack: standard shove otf or fold

    i'd jam flop as well. these ppl have no idea about betsizing and hand value, if you jam they will fold better hands, hands they should not have called a PSB in the first place and hands they should not make a PSB with. and you can still get it in vs worse draws and hands you beat (9x)
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    Old 06-12-2012, 09:51 AM   #7
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    Re: $6 deepstack: standard shove otf or fold

    i play it the same but interesting idea by kamikaze
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    Old 06-12-2012, 10:25 AM   #8
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    Re: $6 deepstack: standard shove otf or fold

    I think the line is fine
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    Old 06-13-2012, 06:46 AM   #9
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    Re: $6 deepstack: standard shove otf or fold

    I play it the same, if I opened it.
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    Old 06-13-2012, 09:47 AM   #10
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    Re: $6 deepstack: standard shove otf or fold

    Iso pre.
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    Old 06-13-2012, 09:53 AM   #11
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    Re: $6 deepstack: standard shove otf or fold

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    Iso pre.
    umm yea and that obv.
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