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.50 Deep Stack - Early JJ vs 3B pre and wet-ish flop .50 Deep Stack - Early JJ vs 3B pre and wet-ish flop

07-16-2017 , 01:52 PM
    Poker Stars, $5 Buy-in (30/60 blinds, 7 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    SB: 13,231 (220.5 bb) No sample on stats.
    BB: 5,508 (91.8 bb)
    UTG+1: 9,965 (166.1 bb)
    UTG+2: 13,266 (221.1 bb)
    Hero (MP1): 10,602 (176.7 bb)
    MP2: 9,123 (152.1 bb) H:426 V:18 P:14 3b:8.5
    MP3: 8,017 (133.6 bb)
    CO: 9,021 (150.4 bb)
    BTN: 11,302 (188.4 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J J
    2 folds, Hero raises to 180, MP2 calls 180, 3 folds, SB raises to 540, BB folds, Hero calls 360, MP2 calls 360

    Flop: (1,743) 4 9 8 (3 players)
    SB checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks

    Turn: (1,743) Q (3 players)
    SB bets 976, Hero calls 976, MP2 folds

    River: (3,695) J (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets 1,180, SB folds

    Spoiler:
    Results: 3,695 pot
    Final Board: 4 9 8 Q J
    SB mucked and lost (-1,523 net)
    Hero mucked J J and won 3,695 (2,172 net)


    1) Not sure if I should bet flop after preflop aggressor checks with 1 player behind still? What hands fold/call/raises if I do bet? and what are we looking out for on turn if we get a call?

    2) Turn: Got showdown and draw value that I'm not ready to give up on yet. Does the player behind affect this thought process?

    3) River: I figure AQ could be in his range here. Really unsure of what else plays like this. KQ? AT surely bets at me. 88/99 surely doesn't 3bet pre and would bet flop if he does? What sizing should we be betting here, if we bet at all?

    Haven't had a chance to really look it over but those were initial thoughts and gives me something I can post on here. Just not confident about decisions on all 4 streets really.

    Last edited by JustinDMoney; 07-16-2017 at 02:00 PM.
    .50 Deep Stack - Early JJ vs 3B pre and wet-ish flop Quote
    07-16-2017 , 03:38 PM
    I think you should be betting the flop and folding to a raise

    everything else looks okay imo, probably an argument to folding turn

    Last edited by Captain-Hindsight; 07-16-2017 at 03:56 PM.
    .50 Deep Stack - Early JJ vs 3B pre and wet-ish flop Quote
    07-16-2017 , 04:44 PM
    You want to be betting flop when SB checks it to you to protect your hand from draws and over cards and also get value from one pair hands. On the the it is a standard call in this spot, you don't want to give up your hand just yet. River was played perfectly, you are trying to get a little bit of extra value from his AQs and KQs and some of this two pair hands.
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    07-16-2017 , 07:10 PM
    Yeah I bet that flop too. SB basically tells you he has missed overs when he checks that flop and there are lots of turn cards that will make things difficult to play. The rest is good.

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    07-16-2017 , 08:43 PM
    Overall, it seems you had a great plan for the hand. Very deep stacked you played a low variance approach and it worked out. As the others mentioned, I would bet flop but otherwise wp.
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    07-16-2017 , 10:22 PM
    Yeah, pretty sure I nearly always bet the flop here. I think I was still having the preflop 'should I have 4bet?' discussion with myself. He quickly checked and wasn't really ready for it haha.

    Anyway, thanks for the feedback. I'll run it through flopzilla tomorrow just to settle my mind on it.
    .50 Deep Stack - Early JJ vs 3B pre and wet-ish flop Quote
    07-18-2017 , 01:12 AM
    Are people b/f the flop?
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    07-18-2017 , 09:29 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by killer_kill
    Are people b/f the flop?
    Not me. We're very deep with lots of backdoor potential so I'd definitely want to see a turn card.

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    07-18-2017 , 09:22 PM
    Not sure what we get value from from tbh and I'd rather have some strong hands checking here too.
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    07-18-2017 , 09:41 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by killer_kill
    Not sure what we get value from from tbh and I'd rather have some strong hands checking here too.
    KQ, AQ and two pair combos.
    .50 Deep Stack - Early JJ vs 3B pre and wet-ish flop Quote
    07-19-2017 , 02:56 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Kev1498
    KQ, AQ and two pair combos.
    I was talking about the flop lol. I mean clearly we don't need to throw any strong hands into our check back in position on the river range
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    07-19-2017 , 02:59 AM
    Also doubt they can have KQ besides KQs I guess and and SB should be betting KQhh on flop. I also can't see KQ calling river, he'd want to not have KQhh or any heart so we can have missed hearts in our bluff range, he can't have KQdd so that leaves KQcc/KQss. I'd still bet river tho.
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