mp3 is a very loose player who is running 52/28 over 54 hands.
CO is a better player who has been pretty active 44/10 over 52 hands.
MP3 have made a lot of loose and hero calls and a lot of calls to float
while CO is been solid , only raising when he has something.

sO I WAS 100% sure that i'm way ahead of MP3.
But when CO shoves....^*&*&%*&%

given that he limped pre. it's likely that he have a med pair. therefore
55.66.77 is possible. and I think he would also shove if he has those .

obviously I'm ahead of those. the only hand that beats me is 84 or 89.
84 is very unlikely , although he limps a lot. But haven't seen him calling with rags like that. So the real hands I was concern with is 89

thoughts?

this is never a good thing to get into at low stakes. being said, you could be drawing dead or getting freerolled here a good amount. you could also be getting it in vs random combo draw

once you raise i wouldnt fold

There's no way in a million years you can ever fold here to some random $5 donk (and i wouldnt fold even if this was a $1k mtt, not like i have that kind of money to play it). I mean you have 3rd nuts and since noone really plays 84, it's basicly 2nd nuts - you only lose to one hand. And you're 40 bbs deep.

And to be honest yea, why do you raise the turn if you plan on folding to a shove? You're just turning 3rd nuts into a bluff? He can have any kind of ****ty two pair, sets, even hands like misplayed aces, AQ or something like that. Just dont fold please. You almost made me cry.

i read the title only...

nope

there is always bluff percentage

ssg,

Good fold. You're neglecting to articulate diamond or heart gappers that are also riding 4-straights into the riv. But your instincts are solid.

Do the math on that, you'll see why it's not really marginal to fold here given dynamics, stage of MTT, and your awareness of your opponents' tendencies.

Can always be a combo draw or bluff. That said when it's played 4 ways... it never is by anyone with a brain... especially after you and MP3 stuck in 1/3 of his stack. Think you can get away from the dumb end here.

With the deadmoney I don't think we can fold here. His range contains sets, combo draws, two pair probably as well on this limit. (I don't think he has a purebluff ever here.)
The pot is around 24k and we have 7,5k behind and the pots is probably too big now for mp3, who is a fish, to fold anything.
And playing 44/10 is not solid.

Says you.

66 + 77 are not in villains range. Turn is a snapcall, you honestly were contemplating a fold ott with 3rd nuts on a wet board with 6000 chips left and already 18k in the pot?...
Also what gambonee said, learn to think about ranges not single hands (that beat you = MUBS)

Don`t bloat pot 5 way OOP ott. Esp limped one where many player can have a lot of suited stuff.
You raise, everyone calls. River is diamond or heart or 8. What would you do?

Just call. Though it`s already not great when SB is leading into 4 players.

Disagree completely with this! You have to remember the basic rule in poker is to make your opponents make mistakes. You have to bet the turn and give him bad odds to call. Everything he makes the bad call you win - this is basic poker theory. It sux getting drawn out on but in the long run you will come Out ahead.

Giving villains a free card is a massive mistake.

I think this is a call. Why? Well, I think the villain has alot of 2 pairs and set's in his range. He maby wants to protect his hand by shoving. it's an $5,- MTT for god sakes, not a deep-stack cash game. We have the nuts against a 50/50 playing idiot. Stack and ship here.

I`m sorry wat?

We`re not giving freecard first of all, since SB already lead ~PSB.
And I`d agree probably, but not 5 way OOP where they`d get good odds anyway.

Raising you make them play perfect instead of making mistake.

W/ SB leading into 4 pl and we`re raising into 3 pl. they (players behind) would fold everything except sets, strong draws and made-hands, which they would call getting good price or exploit you in a way they want.

Even if it`s folded to SB and he 3b-shoves you`re in bad shape.

This spot has nothing to do w/ your basic poker theory.