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Old 02-07-2012, 07:11 PM   #1
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$4 QQ in 3bet pot OOP on AJ2

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    Poker Stars, $4 Buy-in (300/600 blinds, 70 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
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    Hero (BB): 19,408 (32.3 bb)
    UTG+1: 14,880 (24.8 bb)
    UTG+2: 33,834 (56.4 bb)
    MP1: 23,652 (39.4 bb)
    MP2: 50,688 (84.5 bb)
    MP3: 42,323 (70.5 bb)
    CO: 71,010 (118.4 bb)
    BTN: 23,240 (38.7 bb)
    SB: 31,083 (51.8 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with Q Q
    3 folds, MP2 raises to 2,400, 4 folds, Hero raises to 6,000, MP2 calls 3,600

    Flop: (12,930) J A 2 (2 players) Hero ?

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    Old 02-07-2012, 07:14 PM   #2
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    Re: $4 QQ in 3bet pot OOP on AJ2

    I would cbet from 7-8k. Given your 3b pre I think you have to if you're readless.
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    Old 02-07-2012, 07:41 PM   #3
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    Re: $4 QQ in 3bet pot OOP on AJ2

    We have 13k left do you fold to a shove after betting 7-8k or what?

    I'm not sure but his 4x/3betflatting range could be AK,AQs and JJ+? so check/folding is best. What do you guys think?
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    Old 02-07-2012, 07:45 PM   #4
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    Re: $4 QQ in 3bet pot OOP on AJ2

    3b bigger to avoid this akward flop spot. although a 30bb stack in the bb is never easy to play and almost always lead to awkward flop spts. hopefully villain has half a brain and responds to your 3b by jamming or folding. closer to ~6900 should do it.


    as far as this lame flop spot, you can b/f like 4k and tell no one, or b/c and tell no one. theres really nothing great going on. or just c/f like scared money. i dont know whats best to do tbh
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    Old 02-07-2012, 08:29 PM   #5
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    Re: $4 QQ in 3bet pot OOP on AJ2

    i would bet cause worse hands can call us here
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    Old 02-08-2012, 06:03 AM   #6
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    Re: $4 QQ in 3bet pot OOP on AJ2

    I'm not sure what calls us that is worse on the flop here, but if we check we allow him to bluff us off the best hand. However, a flat on this flop should look like a really strong hand or a hand that is a bit scared of the Ace. I think I check/call a small bet and fold to any further action (since he's unlikely to bet the turn without an Ace or unimproved) or check/fold to a big bet since it's likely to be over half our remaining stack.
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    Old 02-08-2012, 06:28 AM   #7
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    Re: $4 QQ in 3bet pot OOP on AJ2

    given the fact that he called us pre i dont think hes good, so i guess check/call would be best here as he might put you on exactly the hand you've got and tries to push you off it with QJ/QT/pair typa hand
    dont think he'd call a bet (which would basically be a/i) with a hand like QJ.. the only hand you really dont want to give a freecard is KQ, as its got a gutter and gutshot and its not that unlikely hes got that.

    but if he checks back otf just jam the turn and make it look like a bluff

    you can basically check 100% of your 3b range on that flop btw.
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    Old 02-08-2012, 10:27 AM   #8
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    Re: $4 QQ in 3bet pot OOP on AJ2

    you're right guys i thought we're in position on that hand. Ok then go c/c
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    Old 02-08-2012, 04:32 PM   #9
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    Re: $4 QQ in 3bet pot OOP on AJ2

    Why c/c? I think a call if he leads for 7k+ is terrible. The pot will be 20k with our stack size being 13k. I think we HAVE to cbet readless. Now if he leads for less maybe a call but any amount under our 3b size looks weak IMO
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    Old 02-08-2012, 04:55 PM   #10
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    Re: $4 QQ in 3bet pot OOP on AJ2

    i dont like 3bet/sizing pre. would almost rather just jam over a 4x or flat expecting him to play pretty straightforward post
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