there is no question about it. shoving is lolbad.

Huhandeh is prolly leveling everyone. as usual

Anyone consider bluff shaving turn?

I did. But you think we fold Queens often enough? doubt it with that SPR and he has us covered. But it's an interesting proposition.

I would shove turn as a bluff but thats part of my aggro style. This is really a situation of needing to know what the player is like. If I was confident that the player was competent I would shove turn, If they seemed bad I would prob take the same line as you and fold river.

That doesn´t make a lot of sense. The bad player is scared of the scare card, the good player knows that we use an A as a scare card very often...

I don´t think it´s a good idea to bluffshove tbh. I mean what are we b/c the flop with? How many Ax contains that range? We are either superstrong {QQQ/AQ} or have some pp 99-JJ, hf with floating AK etc 15 bb deep eff.

This. shoving turn is a fos line

Wouldn`t you have to already have plan to river if you were calling raise on turn???

If anyone wanted to know, this villain had AQo.

at least you played it better than he

Lol yep.. I didn't understand his turn check.. i dislike his flop raise lol. I think it may be better to check the turn with AQ rather than double barrel.. I think Hero has less than 1psb, and if I had KQ I may fold sometimes to turn Ace.. it will be really tough decision with QJ.. so if villain checks to me, I can put it in with kq or qj.. hero can also X/b ott in which villain should vbet the river a lot vs worse Qx.. not a lot of Ax check back unless hero puts villain on pure air (hard 2 do), then hero can x/b n hope villain follows through with the bluff.. if not, villain still bets Qx otr.. hmm. Maybe some Ax do check back.. not a lot of Ax in my range though lol.. man I love poker.. its so complex.. I just found several good ways to play multiple hands and I can't decide what's the best play if I had Ax ott. (Fold to flop raise with most Ax lol)

+1 for r/c flop with your stack.

Might find hero fold on river.

OK, yeah I remember the time you rolled me JJ, I called TPTK...The Sarge and strife were there


That's when I was a fish.

Also think SSNYC thought about jamming the turn is interesting.

proves my point- a good player would never check the turn with aq. a good player would never check a set on the turn all things a bad player is capable of doing. Sure a good player will recognize ace is a good scare card to bluff at but he will still have a hell of time making the call if its for his whole stack. A bad player can easily snap call with a queen or check the ace or a set as I said above.

These statements couldn't be further from the truth.

A good player checks the ace there a ton vs other good players. but probably should c/r the river with it too. It's a std MSNL cash game line.

But against the standard mediocre playing pool he should just bet bet bet for value!