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Old 06-15-2012, 02:15 PM   #16
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Re: $3r JJ facing flop C/R - Line Check please

there is no question about it. shoving is lolbad.

Huhandeh is prolly leveling everyone. as usual
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Old 06-15-2012, 02:29 PM   #17
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Anyone consider bluff shaving turn?
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Old 06-15-2012, 02:42 PM   #18
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Anyone consider bluff shaving turn?
I did. But you think we fold Queens often enough? doubt it with that SPR and he has us covered. But it's an interesting proposition.
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Old 06-15-2012, 04:21 PM   #19
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Re: $3r JJ facing flop C/R - Line Check please

I would shove turn as a bluff but thats part of my aggro style. This is really a situation of needing to know what the player is like. If I was confident that the player was competent I would shove turn, If they seemed bad I would prob take the same line as you and fold river.
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Old 06-15-2012, 04:37 PM   #20
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If I was confident that the player was competent I would shove turn, If they seemed bad I would prob take the same line as you and fold river.
That doesnīt make a lot of sense. The bad player is scared of the scare card, the good player knows that we use an A as a scare card very often...

I donīt think itīs a good idea to bluffshove tbh. I mean what are we b/c the flop with? How many Ax contains that range? We are either superstrong {QQQ/AQ} or have some pp 99-JJ, hf with floating AK etc 15 bb deep eff.
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Old 06-15-2012, 04:59 PM   #21
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I donīt think itīs a good idea to bluffshove tbh. I mean what are we b/c the flop with? How many Ax contains that range? We are either superstrong {QQQ/AQ} or have some pp 99-JJ, hf with floating AK etc 15 bb deep eff.
This. shoving turn is a fos line
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Old 06-15-2012, 07:12 PM   #22
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Re: $3r JJ facing flop C/R - Line Check please

Wouldn`t you have to already have plan to river if you were calling raise on turn???
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Old 06-18-2012, 06:53 AM   #23
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If anyone wanted to know, this villain had AQo.
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Old 06-18-2012, 07:46 AM   #24
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If anyone wanted to know, this villain had AQo.
at least you played it better than he
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Old 06-18-2012, 08:21 AM   #25
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Lol yep.. I didn't understand his turn check.. i dislike his flop raise lol. I think it may be better to check the turn with AQ rather than double barrel.. I think Hero has less than 1psb, and if I had KQ I may fold sometimes to turn Ace.. it will be really tough decision with QJ.. so if villain checks to me, I can put it in with kq or qj.. hero can also X/b ott in which villain should vbet the river a lot vs worse Qx.. not a lot of Ax check back unless hero puts villain on pure air (hard 2 do), then hero can x/b n hope villain follows through with the bluff.. if not, villain still bets Qx otr.. hmm. Maybe some Ax do check back.. not a lot of Ax in my range though lol.. man I love poker.. its so complex.. I just found several good ways to play multiple hands and I can't decide what's the best play if I had Ax ott. (Fold to flop raise with most Ax lol)
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Old 06-18-2012, 08:56 AM   #26
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Re: $3r JJ facing flop C/R - Line Check please

+1 for r/c flop with your stack.

Might find hero fold on river.
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there is no question about it. shoving is lolbad.

Huhandeh is prolly leveling everyone. as usual
OK, yeah I remember the time you rolled me JJ, I called TPTK...The Sarge and strife were there


That's when I was a fish.

Also think SSNYC thought about jamming the turn is interesting.

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Old 06-18-2012, 05:41 PM   #28
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If anyone wanted to know, this villain had AQo.
proves my point- a good player would never check the turn with aq. a good player would never check a set on the turn all things a bad player is capable of doing. Sure a good player will recognize ace is a good scare card to bluff at but he will still have a hell of time making the call if its for his whole stack. A bad player can easily snap call with a queen or check the ace or a set as I said above.
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Old 06-18-2012, 08:36 PM   #29
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proves my point- a good player would never check the turn with aq. a good player would never check a set on the turn all things a bad player is capable of doing.
These statements couldn't be further from the truth.

A good player checks the ace there a ton vs other good players. but probably should c/r the river with it too. It's a std MSNL cash game line.
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Old 06-18-2012, 09:58 PM   #30
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These statements couldn't be further from the truth.

A good player checks the ace there a ton vs other good players. but probably should c/r the river with it too. It's a std MSNL cash game line.
But against the standard mediocre playing pool he should just bet bet bet for value!
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