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07-21-2012, 06:23 AM
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old hand
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: playing with kids
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3$ / min3b spot with QQ against a nit... setmine???
yeah I know it sounds pretty lolz as we are a bit shallow but :
opponent seems a weak nit : 1 tabling 9/9/0%3b no steals over 30 hands, and has played 25 mtts over last 3 month according to opr.
I had been active.
[hand_history]Poker Stars, $2.70 Buy-in (600/1,200 blinds, 150 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13567662
BTN: 26,557 (22.1 bb)
SB: 41,842 (34.9 bb)
BB: 31,880 (26.6 bb)
UTG+1: 33,978 (28.3 bb)
UTG+2: 4,788 (4 bb)
MP1: 50,080 (41.7 bb)
Hero (MP2): 44,833 (37.4 bb)
MP3: 26,771 (22.3 bb)
CO: 58,442 (48.7 bb)
Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q  Q 
3 folds, Hero raises to 2,640, MP3 raises to 4,800, 4 folds, Hero thinks that vilain sizing is so bad he should just call and play fit or fold
what about you?
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07-21-2012, 06:25 AM
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banned
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Czech Republic
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Re: 3$ / min3b spot with QQ against a nit... setmine???
can he even make it that small? yeah i think call > shove and you could peel some low flops depending on his betsizing
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07-21-2012, 06:34 AM
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centurion
Join Date: Nov 2009
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Re: 3$ / min3b spot with QQ against a nit... setmine???
Lol no, 4b/c and happily get in (4b smaller>shove as a random in a $3 will likely flat your 4bet but will fold some hands we want to play against vs a shove). Shoving is fine too and looks weaker, so there are arguments for both. 30 hands of villian playing tight isn't a reason to not get in here, ranging him on QQ+ and hero folding here would be a pretty big mistake.
Assume you shoved into aces? ul, etc.
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07-21-2012, 06:51 AM
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deviation of equilibrium
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Germany
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Re: 3$ / min3b spot with QQ against a nit... setmine???
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Originally Posted by bibiscus
Hero thinks that vilain sizing is so bad he should just call and play fit or fold
what about you?
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i dont think so
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07-21-2012, 06:58 AM
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old hand
Join Date: Aug 2009
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Re: 3$ / min3b spot with QQ against a nit... setmine???
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Originally Posted by furo
i dont think so 
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thought you were a bot...
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07-21-2012, 07:19 AM
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deviation of equilibrium
Join Date: May 2009
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Re: 3$ / min3b spot with QQ against a nit... setmine???
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Originally Posted by bibiscus
thought you were a bot... 
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input error
pls rephrase
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07-21-2012, 08:19 AM
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centurion
Join Date: Aug 2011
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Re: 3$ / min3b spot with QQ against a nit... setmine???
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Originally Posted by furo
i dont think so 
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Been wondering to ask... I also got issues vs small 3bets mid/late game of the phase. I always have this feeling thats its KK+.
Could you explain to me what these means at different stages of MTT?
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07-21-2012, 12:38 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Jan 2009
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Re: 3$ / min3b spot with QQ against a nit... setmine???
Obviously his range is tight but I just get it AI here. Can we really put villain any tighter than TT/AK+? We only have 30 hands, which is only marginally valuable info wise, so I just treat it readless and assume TT/AK is possible. Even if only JJ/AK, still 47% yo.
I can see folding TT-JJ, but probably not QQ, especially w/ the stacks as they are (but u already know that).
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07-21-2012, 04:59 PM
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enthusiast
Join Date: Jul 2012
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Re: 3$ / min3b spot with QQ against a nit... setmine???
I'd probably just get it in oop.
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07-21-2012, 05:32 PM
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enthusiast
Join Date: Jul 2012
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Re: 3$ / min3b spot with QQ against a nit... setmine???
its just 30 hands man, you are so short, get it in
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07-21-2012, 06:59 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Dec 2008
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Re: 3$ / min3b spot with QQ against a nit... setmine???
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Originally Posted by ulkyst
its just 30 hands man, you are so short, get it in
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and make a post in the following thread: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/55...ban-me-204579/ if by playing fof you mean c/f QQ on a 225 board.
Last edited by desperad0oo7; 07-21-2012 at 07:05 PM.
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07-21-2012, 10:54 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Dec 2009
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Re: 3$ / min3b spot with QQ against a nit... setmine???
I was thinking about a self ban.....IDK.
sick spot really, wtf it's $3 bucks.
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07-22-2012, 01:29 AM
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enthusiast
Join Date: Jul 2012
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Re: 3$ / min3b spot with QQ against a nit... setmine???
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Originally Posted by HUHandEH
wtf it's $3 bucks.
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Means nothing now, but long term....Busto!
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07-22-2012, 08:03 AM
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old hand
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: playing with kids
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Re: 3$ / min3b spot with QQ against a nit... setmine???
as I said in my first post, calling / folding felt pretty lol / bad.
Ingame I am used to insta ship and not wonder wether it's a good or bad play cause we got QQ and it's the nuts and they all spazz.
but even if we do not consider the reads based on number of hands played, a lot of us have played enough to now how minraises from weak randos are the nuts 90% of the time (ie KK+, 5 %times it's AK, 5% spazzing factor)
in order to ship QQ and be sure it's profitable here, we do have to include JJ and AQ in this min3b range.
so we are down to the question : does a weak rando min3bets AQs and JJ? even AK? I tend to think and observe more and more that they either call or ship
that's why I posted the hand and maybe I am bad with reads.
I agree that I might be over thinking this given how the hand played out, but still can't convice myself that ¨shipping is the best play on that spot against a weak rando when he min3b this stack (wich would be a good play from a reg obv)
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07-22-2012, 08:58 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Dec 2008
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Re: 3$ / min3b spot with QQ against a nit... setmine???
why not do a database analysis to test your claim that min3bet is 90% KK+? I'll hit you up on skype later today when I get back from my travels and maybe we can combine databases to do this.
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