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Old 07-08-2012, 07:18 PM   #1
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3.30r - A9 - turn/river decisions on a botched hand

This was not a good hand. Looking for a line check particularly on the turn/river.

3.30+R just inside the money.

CO - 21/16/0 (70 hands) - 63 steal - 1/2 ft3b - 2.50 af - 1/5 bet vs missed cb IP

Hero - 27/21/9 (70 hands) - 2.67 af


Poker Stars $3.00+$0.30 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t1000/t2000 Blinds + t350 - 8 players
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CO: 102,322
BTN: 60,233
Hero (SB): 103,961
BB: 189,970
UTG: 38,316
UTG+1: 153,316
MP1: 118,861
MP2: 86,919

Pre Flop: (5,800) Hero is SB with 9 A
4 folds, CO raises to 4,000, 1 fold, Hero raises to 11,145, 1 fold, CO calls 7,145

Flop: (27,090) J K 6 (2 players)
Hero bets 13,530, CO calls 13,530

Turn: (54,150) A (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

River: (54,150) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets 35,750, Hero folds
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Old 07-09-2012, 03:59 AM   #2
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Re: 3.30r - A9 - turn/river decisions on a botched hand

Pre good 3b/f spot. Like the sizing.

Flop good. Might bet less than 1/2 pot.

Bet turn for value. Balances up double barrelling. Hes prob not raising worse as a bluff. Worse hands that call flop will call again.

As played, not sure about river, Qh obv nut worse card in deck for our hand and he bombs it but checking turn to fold river a piss weak line. On balance its prob a good fold.
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Old 07-09-2012, 07:19 AM   #3
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Re: 3.30r - A9 - turn/river decisions on a botched hand

must bet the turn, now fold
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Old 07-09-2012, 01:07 PM   #4
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Re: 3.30r - A9 - turn/river decisions on a botched hand

Sizings are good both pre and OTF.
I would globally bet turn but as played, I fold...

Does someone consider shoving OTT as played ?
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Old 07-09-2012, 02:24 PM   #5
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Re: 3.30r - A9 - turn/river decisions on a botched hand

I would bet turn for sure - river is mehh fold cant be that bad when that horrible card hits
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Old 07-09-2012, 02:31 PM   #6
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Re: 3.30r - A9 - turn/river decisions on a botched hand

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Sizings are good both pre and OTF.
I would globally bet turn but as played, I fold...

Does someone consider shoving OTT as played ?
Since I can't edit...
My real question is :
Can I shove on this turn with A9 to act as if I was bluffing with a flush draw ? Some guys having a K or a J would call me here ? Or is it some crappy idea ?
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Old 07-09-2012, 04:21 PM   #7
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Re: 3.30r - A9 - turn/river decisions on a botched hand

pot ott is 54k and he has 75k. I totally agree that betting is standard and based on these responses I just levelled myself. I feel like we're really short to b/f top pair. At the same time I doubt he ever shoves worse so b/c probably isn't great. I figured that he knew I was competent so checking such a standard barrel card would make him suspicious/honest with his action.

Oh boy I'm a closet leveller aren't I?
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Old 07-09-2012, 05:49 PM   #8
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Re: 3.30r - A9 - turn/river decisions on a botched hand

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Pre good 3b/f spot. Like the sizing.

Flop good. Might bet less than 1/2 pot.

Bet turn for value. Balances up double barrelling. Hes prob not raising worse as a bluff. Worse hands that call flop will call again.

As played, not sure about river, Qh obv nut worse card in deck for our hand and he bombs it but checking turn to fold river a piss weak line. On balance its prob a good fold.
I like this...agree with pre being good...flop a little less and bet turn

River not sure so I guess as played we fold
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Old 07-09-2012, 06:01 PM   #9
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Re: 3.30r - A9 - turn/river decisions on a botched hand

Pre + OTF fine.

The c/c plan OTT isn't bad because as you've said yourself the spr is pretty bad to b/f into, and an A (carrying FE) in conjunction w/ a double barrel will fold out most worse made hands a ton obviously, so b/c kinda sucks to. This villain is also Solid-Aggressive so u can't always rule out some kind of crazy float OTF, so u want to give him some rope instead of push him out w/ another bet into a huge pot OTT. Also, I'm not always assuming just cuz his stats are good hes some dynamite hand reader, so I don't think checking gives your hand away at all....it simply gives a possible floater/aggro player rope and mimics how u might react when the A is a scare card for you as well...

When he checks behind OTT were probably ahead most times as hed of fired if floating, and the hand would've worked out fine if u didn't get rivered iyam.

But I suppose b/f might not be a disaster cuz I'm not putting him on a bluff all that much, and b/f into any sized big pot doesnt matter if ur like 100% sure hes not bluffing, even if it stings.

So...in short...idk what lines best actually . flip a coin.
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Old 07-09-2012, 09:59 PM   #10
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Re: 3.30r - A9 - turn/river decisions on a botched hand

Can someone explain why 3bf pre is good?
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Old 07-10-2012, 04:02 AM   #11
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Re: 3.30r - A9 - turn/river decisions on a botched hand

c/f flop
turn good
c/f this river good
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Old 07-10-2012, 04:03 AM   #12
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Can someone explain why 3bf pre is good?
we often have a good hand that sucks to play postflop OOP w/o initiative
and the hand sucks 3way even more, so we isolate.
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Old 07-10-2012, 05:08 AM   #13
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Re: 3.30r - A9 - turn/river decisions on a botched hand

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c/f flop
Was wondering if someone would suggest this. Not sure about it, maybe it's best if villain is capable?
Don't mind hand as played
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Old 07-10-2012, 07:53 AM   #14
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Re: 3.30r - A9 - turn/river decisions on a botched hand

Yeah I lean towards checking the flop rather then betting. It just smashes his 3 bet calling range and we only really getting lower pocket pairs to fold, anything else in the 3 bet range will call. Proof that Big Vach knows what he's doing by 3 betting here.
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Old 07-10-2012, 08:51 AM   #15
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Re: 3.30r - A9 - turn/river decisions on a botched hand

Cant see how c/f flop > b/f.

We 3bet out of SB and get a flop that hits our range. We can barell and get him off Jx. I pretty much always bet this flop given action pre. Rest of time c/r.

If youre not betting this flop, what are you betting ?
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