[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $3 Buy-in (100/200 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
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UTG+2: 12,241 (61.2 bb)
MP1: 5,145 (25.7 bb)
MP2: 14,207 (71 bb)
Hero (MP3): 5,902 (29.5 bb)
CO: 9,621 (48.1 bb)
BTN: 7,202 (36 bb)
SB: 10,140 (50.7 bb)
BB: 15,664 (78.3 bb)
UTG+1: 14,873 (74.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q J
3 folds, MP2 calls 200, Hero calls 200, CO folds, BTN calls 200, SB folds, BB checks

Flop: (900) 2 T 9 (4 players)
BB checks, MP2 bets 600, Hero

OK, so can I limp behind here pre? - The table dynamic was such that I didn't feel anyone would raise light behind. I felt that the open limper was a standard fishy type who would limp/call a lot and play pretty face up.

My inclination in these spots is to ISO, but here I decided to limp and I'd like your thoughts/advice please on either option.

On to the flop... get it in? We have plenty of equity so I guess it's fine but I think he has a hand pretty much always when he leads like this with this sizing - decent assumption?

No other dynamics of note.

limp pre is probably fine, but iso raise is maybe better (depends on stats). call flop.

yeah when he leads flop he could easily have Tx or 9x hand...getting it in is fine but your stack is kinda awkward, if you shove over his lead its a huge raise, but i dont wanna just call flop....pre is fine and shove now i think

Would probably raise pre if I'm going to play this hand but as played either calling or raising to 1500-2000 is good. Shipping looks very dodgy as it's such a huge overbet but not the worst thing, especially if he folds and you are able to do it again with the nuts.

I strongly prefer iso'ing pre.
probably r/c otf.

I think calling is best in this spot to evaluate the turn action, depending on your game, I some times fold in this spot cause our outs are not clean imo.

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No consensus so far then. Can anyone elaborate as to why one line is better etc., as I'm still none the wiser in this spot.

aaaand that.

if you need reasons; they wont raise light, so why not open your raising range? you have position on limper, if people behind you wont play back lightly, its pretty easy to outplay them.

flop, you have good equity + FE, whereas flatting leads you to fold lots of turns or have it go c/c when you have even less idea what to do on the river.

ISO pre far better than calling

Prob get it in otf with overs and open ender but not overjoyed. Its 3 way and board hits hands they might limp and youre a bit too deep to just shove over his bet.

Is flatting to shove over a turn bet on most turns any better ?

i think if you are hu you will end up fairly deep ott, and if 3 ways you are giving up a good bit of equity on bricks when they are getting in "made" hands and better draws

Yea your ight - get it in otf.

FWIW, I flatted flop and got there, but it didn't feel right. I wasn't sure what to do because I still have ~30BBs OTF and when he leads on that board after limping pre he always has it IMO and isn't looking to fold. I therefore think we can discount FE a large % of the time.

I like iso-raise... I want position, so getting CO and button to fold and I also want the BB done with the hand... There are so many ways the BB can make this hand complicated.