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Old 05-25-2012, 05:33 AM   #1
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2d - KQs spot

    (200/400 blinds, 50 ante)


    MP1: 8,498 (21.2 bb)
    Hero (MP2): 7,639 (19.1 bb)
    MP3: 14,116 (35.3 bb)
    CO: 15,434 (38.6 bb)
    BTN: 6,125 (15.3 bb)
    SB: 10,529 (26.3 bb)
    BB: 12,502 (31.3 bb)
    UTG+1: 12,051 (30.1 bb)
    UTG+2: 8,135 (20.3 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q K
    3 folds, Hero ?

    What do u think is the best play here? What do u think in general spots like this when hero has like 20bb stack and decent hand in utg or mp but not sure is it too good to r/c etc.?
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    Old 05-25-2012, 05:44 AM   #2
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    Re: 2d - KQs spot

    Open < 900
    Define 'decent hand'
    Would open this UTG at most tables, probably KJs, ATs, fold KTs/KJo. In later positions add more hands obv
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    Old 05-25-2012, 05:47 AM   #3
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    Re: 2d - KQs spot

    r/c?, r/f?
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    Old 05-25-2012, 07:20 AM   #4
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    Re: 2d - KQs spot

    start by minraising and evaluate the situation when someone 3b's you. It'll depend on the player/stack but this'll be a r/f more often than a r/c (and vice versa against BTN's shoves).
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    Old 05-25-2012, 08:11 AM   #5
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    Re: 2d - KQs spot

    yea it depends players stacksizes etc ofc but i mean that is it ok to r/f in general with 20bb stack? like bond18 wrote on his article that u shouldn't be open raise hands that can't call 3bet in 20bb stack.
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    Old 05-25-2012, 08:25 AM   #6
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    Re: 2d - KQs spot

    Really depends on what players are on your left and what players are on the blinds. Also how the table plays that time, is everyone passive? Are the blinds multitabling? Is that a reg on the BTN with the -perfect for resteal- 15bb stack?

    By default i would Raise to 899 and hopefully play a pot IP with one of the blinds IMO.

    The 20bb stack is kind of awkward, meaning that, if you had like <14bbs you could shove this i suppose, but know you are stack in "middle earth".
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    Re: 2d - KQs spot

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    r/c?, r/f?
    depends on the player
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    Old 05-25-2012, 08:46 AM   #8
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    Re: 2d - KQs spot

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    yea it depends players stacksizes etc ofc but i mean that is it ok to r/f in general with 20bb stack? like bond18 wrote on his article that u shouldn't be open raise hands that can't call 3bet in 20bb stack.
    not to argue with m'boy tony but I think this would be a super nitty fold from the LJ. I'm guessing he was referring to mid or even low stakes, but in a $2 the aggression won't be off the chart. Even if it was really high you can start considering KQs as a r/c.

    If you don't feel comfortable with r/eval for some reason I'd prefer open-jamming over open-folding.
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    Old 05-25-2012, 08:46 AM   #9
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    Re: 2d - KQs spot

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    like bond18 wrote on his article that u shouldn't be open raise hands that can't call 3bet in 20bb stack.
    huh?

    That seems like really bad advice to me. If you only raise/call, you'll either be calling with a lot of garbage, which is bad, or you'll only be raising a tiny fraction of your hands, which means you won't be playing enough hands. And if you almost never raise, why is anyone going to call or reraise you without a monster?
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    Old 05-25-2012, 08:50 AM   #10
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    Re: 2d - KQs spot

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    That seems like really bad advice to me.
    eh now.. tony always knows what he's doing
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    Old 05-25-2012, 09:07 AM   #11
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    Re: 2d - KQs spot

    I shouldn't argue with tony ! what does kamikaze baby know anyway? Ignore my previous post!
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    Old 05-25-2012, 11:00 AM   #12
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    Re: 2d - KQs spot

    What stake is this?

    I don't think Bond18 plays micro stakes, and that guy Slanksy says KQ is different.

    imho I think KJs is a fold here, and KQ with 19bb and right dynamics is a call.
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    Old 05-25-2012, 02:11 PM   #13
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    Re: 2d - KQs spot

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    start by minraising and evaluate the situation when someone 3b's you. It'll depend on the player/stack but this'll be a r/f more often than a r/c (and vice versa against BTN's shoves).
    I'd do the same, KQ is a strong hand, UTG will give you good rep too plus you can get away and get your money in when you miss/hit respectively.
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    Re: 2d - KQs spot

    I think what bond meant is that you're going to get exploited at the stakes he plays if you're r/f too much on 20 bb's. The thing is you can r/f at low stakes because no one usually knows how to properly resteal and how wide they can actually do it vs someone r/f too much.
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    Old 05-25-2012, 04:03 PM   #15
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    Re: 2d - KQs spot

    I'm sure Lio misunderstood bond18. If you want to talk about being exploitable how about not having a r/f range when you're playing a reship stack. I'm sure he just meant not to overdo it with your r/f's, and opening KQs here definitely is not overdoing it.
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