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Old 02-03-2012, 05:37 AM   #1
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$2 TT UTG facing a 3bet shove

Only 6 hands on villain, no reads. 17/17 fwiw, do you fold here?

Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t75/t150 Blinds + t20 - 9 players - View hand 1622355
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SB: t13317 M = 32.88
BB: t3026 M = 7.47
Hero (UTG): t16413 M = 40.53
UTG+1: t5520 M = 13.63
UTG+2: t21451 M = 52.97
MP1: t6220 M = 15.36
MP2: t7330 M = 18.10
CO: t4836 M = 11.94
BTN: t9100 M = 22.47

Pre Flop: (t405) Hero is UTG with T T
Hero raises to t375, 2 folds, MP1 calls t375, 3 folds, SB raises to t13297 all in, 1 fold,Hero ??
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Old 02-03-2012, 05:57 AM   #2
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Re: $2 TT UTG facing a 3bet shove

Depends on the stage if the tournament - but calls more often than not. like 80/20
Even tho its prob often a coinflip I still dont think you can afford not to take it - due to the times he shoves weaker pairs such as 8's and 9's
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Old 02-03-2012, 06:23 AM   #3
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Re: $2 TT UTG facing a 3bet shove

Pretty big shove, will often be AK here imo, not sure if we should expect villain to shove hands like 88 / 99 here, would expect a flat not a big 3bet shove from villain with those hands. Would rather fold then flip for 90xbb here.
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Old 02-03-2012, 07:07 AM   #4
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Re: $2 TT UTG facing a 3bet shove

The bottom of his range would be 99+ AQ and maybe tighter than that.
I call with QQ+, AKs
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Old 02-03-2012, 09:59 AM   #5
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Re: $2 TT UTG facing a 3bet shove

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Depends on the stage if the tournament - but calls more often than not. like 80/20
Even tho its prob often a coinflip I still dont think you can afford not to take it - due to the times he shoves weaker pairs such as 8's and 9's
When would you fold, is it read dependent? Do you call readless 80% of the time? Such a big shove... looks really fishy to me, its a way ahead, way behind situation imo; but more often than not we'll be against a fish who doesn't understand position and ranges. How often do you ship over an utg raise and with what holdings. QQ+ would be a moderate 3bet to induce. AK? Maybe... I'll post the rest of the hand later...

Last edited by Dion; 02-03-2012 at 10:05 AM. Reason: Villain's SB 3bet range.
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Old 02-03-2012, 10:12 AM   #6
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Re: $2 TT UTG facing a 3bet shove

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The bottom of his range would be 99+ AQ and maybe tighter than that.
I call with QQ+, AKs
Thats what SNG Wizz says excl. AKs
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Old 02-03-2012, 10:25 AM   #7
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Re: $2 TT UTG facing a 3bet shove

lol fold unless hes a confirmed full retard
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Old 02-03-2012, 04:40 PM   #8
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Re: $2 TT UTG facing a 3bet shove

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Such a big shove... looks really fishy to me, its a way ahead, way behind situation imo; but more often than not we'll be against a fish who doesn't understand position and ranges. How often do you ship over an utg raise and with what holdings. QQ+ would be a moderate 3bet to induce. AK? Maybe... I'll post the rest of the hand later...
What I do doesn't apply to an aggro 2$ fish. You have to weight in how he playes the different parts of his range. Fishes usually try to maximize value from their big holdings and want to raise smaller to get action on their big hands. 2$ fishes just do random stuff for no particular reason. I think in this spot you can remove the top part of his range here. Players like this are gonna bust sooner than later and you cant really pass up a marginal spot because otherwise they are gonna give their chips to your opponents.

If i call or fold is kinda dependent on my feel of the table - how many tables I have ect. But default here would be calling in such a low bi tour
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Old 02-03-2012, 06:09 PM   #9
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Re: $2 TT UTG facing a 3bet shove

His hand is pretty much face up as AK imo. It's up to you if you wanna gamble or not.
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Old 02-03-2012, 06:23 PM   #10
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Re: $2 TT UTG facing a 3bet shove

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His hand is pretty much face up as AK imo. It's up to you if you wanna gamble or not.
i used to think this, lately it seems like people just dont know how to play. had someone open ship 30bbs from the co with JJ and later in the same day saw someone open ship 25bbs from btn with 88.

either way, its a fold. if you can justify adding a few pair combos to his range you are basically 50 even
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Old 02-04-2012, 12:08 AM   #11
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Re: $2 TT UTG facing a 3bet shove

JJ+,AK+ or QQ+AKs+, never call w TT here
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Old 02-04-2012, 01:50 AM   #12
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Re: $2 TT UTG facing a 3bet shove

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never call w TT here
I might call if I had a read on villian or seen him jam lol 32BB pre on a UTG Open.

It's retarded to jam that much without the nutz in hand, but why wouldn't he just repop Hero if he has a monster?

I think the reshove is interesting, so just call and we can all tell you that your read was wrong

folding is correct.
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Old 02-04-2012, 02:07 AM   #13
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Re: $2 TT UTG facing a 3bet shove

I would fold. You have nice chip stack. I would wait for a bettor spot. The blinds are moving up and you can start picking off the desperate short stacks
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Old 02-04-2012, 02:31 AM   #14
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Re: $2 TT UTG facing a 3bet shove

Can people stop using the 'you have a nice stack, wait for a better spot' line, please.
Or at least incorporate some reasoning to go along with it.
JJ+ or QQ+
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Old 02-04-2012, 04:28 AM   #15
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Re: $2 TT UTG facing a 3bet shove

The hand itself.... sigh! I still think I should have folded, agree on JJ+



    Poker Stars, $2 Buy-in (75/150 blinds, 20 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11786492

    SB: 13,317 (88.8 bb)
    BB: 3,026 (20.2 bb)
    Hero (UTG+1): 16,413 (109.4 bb)
    UTG+2: 5,520 (36.8 bb)
    MP1: 21,451 (143 bb)
    MP2: 6,220 (41.5 bb)
    MP3: 7,330 (48.9 bb)
    CO: 4,836 (32.2 bb)
    BTN: 9,100 (60.7 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with T T
    Hero raises to 375, 2 folds, MP2 calls 375, 3 folds, SB raises to 13,297 and is all-in, BB folds, Hero raises to 16,393 and is all-in, MP2 folds

    Flop: (27,299) 4 5 J (2 players, 2 are all-in)
    Turn: (27,299) K (2 players, 2 are all-in)
    River: (27,299) A (2 players, 2 are all-in)

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    Last edited by Dion; 02-04-2012 at 04:30 AM. Reason: Calling range
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