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Old 08-05-2012, 07:43 AM   #1
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$2 6max Stars, trying to open up my 3bet game, but lost post-flop

This is a $2 6max tournie on Stars. I have chipped up nicely at this point and no one has really played back at me. My raises preflop and cbets tend to win a lot of pots, and my 3bets have so far won me the pot pre.

Villain is playing 32/18 over 44 hands with a 100% (1/1!) fold to 3b. He has a 100% fold to cbet (2/2).

I am trying to open up my game slightly (just in general, really) and felt that 66 was a good spot to 3bet here, although I'm unsure if I'm doing it for value or as a bluff. I think it's for value, although if villain is folding his weaker hands then this might be as a bluff.

Anyway, considering I'm unsure of this spot, do you feel I should just pass on these spots, especially as I have been very aggressive? As played, what should I do on the turn?



[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $2 Buy-in (300/600 blinds, 50 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

UTG: 15,348 (25.6 bb)
MP: 14,347 (23.9 bb)
CO: 17,610 (29.4 bb)
BTN: 47,414 (79 bb)
SB: 6,480 (10.8 bb)
Hero (BB): 41,383 (69 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6 6
2 folds, CO raises to 1,200, 2 folds, Hero raises to 3,456, CO calls 2,256

Flop: (7,512) 8 J J (2 players)
Hero bets 3,079, CO calls 3,079

Turn: (13,670) 8 (2 players)
Hero ???
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Old 08-05-2012, 08:34 AM   #2
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Re: $2 6max Stars, trying to open up my 3bet game, but lost post-flop



I say flat pre, lead the flop....but I could be wrong.
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Old 08-05-2012, 11:02 AM   #3
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Re: $2 6max Stars, trying to open up my 3bet game, but lost post-flop

you choose the worst hand to 3b, just flat pre (if u want to play 66) wich is kinda unprofitable against a CO open with the stacksizes
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Old 08-05-2012, 12:19 PM   #4
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Re: $2 6max Stars, trying to open up my 3bet game, but lost post-flop

If you want to open up your game.... 3b hands that play well post.....SCs and stuff. Also 3b IP not OOP.

In this case I would be flatting pre and probably c/ring. He is c-betting his whole range.
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Old 08-05-2012, 03:08 PM   #5
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Re: $2 6max Stars, trying to open up my 3bet game, but lost post-flop

Fold preflop - I think your sizing is too big both pre and post. If you want to 3-bet more you need to downsize your sizing.
In this paticular spot I think 66 is a bad hand to 3-bet since it plays bad postflop.
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Old 08-06-2012, 04:55 AM   #6
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Re: $2 6max Stars, trying to open up my 3bet game, but lost post-flop

Thanks for the replies and pointing me towards better hands to 3b here.

BurnzDK - if I had a better hand to 3b here, what do you make the raise size preflop here? More like 3k?
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Old 08-06-2012, 07:10 AM   #7
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Re: $2 6max Stars, trying to open up my 3bet game, but lost post-flop

3k ish is good, could go lower if he does not flat much which is prolly not the case in a 2$

about the 3b pre, read this :

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/23...etting-982012/

and thank the guy, he is good ;-)
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Old 08-06-2012, 01:46 PM   #8
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Re: $2 6max Stars, trying to open up my 3bet game, but lost post-flop

Interested why should we ever fold preflop against a co minraise open 30bb effective,i'm flatting this all day from bb.
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Old 08-06-2012, 03:00 PM   #9
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Re: $2 6max Stars, trying to open up my 3bet game, but lost post-flop

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Interested why should we ever fold preflop against a co minraise open 30bb effective,i'm flatting this all day from bb.
cause we need like 20 times the raise effective stacks to setmine profitably against such a loose range
cause we don't get to showdown that much with 66. so we need to do creative stuffs like c/r lots of boards etc and our loose passive opponent will not fold many flops.
also when we hit our set our oponenent will not stack of that often cause he has a super wide range obv.
it's not that unprofitable, but I'd rather flat 66 against a more well defined range than having to play it postflop with stationny people especially oop
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Old 08-06-2012, 04:00 PM   #10
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Re: $2 6max Stars, trying to open up my 3bet game, but lost post-flop

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cause we need like 20 times the raise effective stacks to setmine profitably against such a loose range
cause we don't get to showdown that much with 66. so we need to do creative stuffs like c/r lots of boards etc and our loose passive opponent will not fold many flops.
also when we hit our set our oponenent will not stack of that often cause he has a super wide range obv.
it's not that unprofitable, but I'd rather flat 66 against a more well defined range than having to play it postflop with stationny people especially oop
You're saying when we c/r he's not folding a lot,then you add later that when we hit a set he's not stacking off that often.It seems a little contradictory to me.If he's stationy don't you think that kind of player is going to pay us off w/t garbage a lot of the time when we flop the nuts?
Also there are a few decent flops for us other than the ones that contain a 6,although it may depend how comfortable we are post.
We're getting 4:1 direct odds,we have a middle pair,we're closing the action, i mean, come on,do we really want to fold here?It feels very weak to me.
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Old 08-06-2012, 04:20 PM   #11
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Re: $2 6max Stars, trying to open up my 3bet game, but lost post-flop

Id say around 3K pre.
Fara - we are not deep enough to set mine - and its a hard hand to play postflop. Not saying a call is out of the question - especially given that the players are prob bad - but against good opponents it is just burning money flatting OOP here.
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Old 08-06-2012, 04:53 PM   #12
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Re: $2 6max Stars, trying to open up my 3bet game, but lost post-flop

the facts that he does not folds many flop if we check raise flop unimproved coud also mean our 66 has low equity on many boards even when he doesn't event have a pair. DUCY?
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