16 bb's, near bubble w A2s, this okay shove?
Join Date: Mar 2016
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Table was pretty tight.
A while before this hand I was actually chip leader and stayed in top 5. probably 10 minutes before this hand I lost a hand w KK AIPF to AQ, then a few hands after that I isoe'd (in SB w KQ) a 9 bb CO limper (who had been limp/calling/folding) who showed up w AA.
So...I basically felt like the world took a dump on my heart when this hand came up and just wanted to know if shoving here is okay or too loose?
I feel I'm only getting called by monsters considering the money bubble and stacks are relatively shallow.
HERO LJ (16bb's) A2DD
HJ (33 bb's)
CO (30 bb's)
BU (14 bb's)
SB (28 bb's)
BB (15 bb's)
Folds to me, I shove.
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 307
Yeah that's a bit too loose imo better off to just fold and wait for a better spot, with that stack you still have plenty of fold equity even coming over the top of someone else's raises. If it's very deep in then tourney and the blinds and antes become more lucrative to steal I may be inclined to raise for this and play it from there, but more often than not you're gonna get looked up by only better hands.
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 758
This is too loose for me. I've been looking at a lot of spots like this in my own games and you don't have to go crazy when you've got 15-20BB, being patient is often better because winning the blinds and antes isn't as crucial as compared to when we have 10BB or less.
This is probably only slightly negative chip EV, could possibly be break even but getting knocked out is a big deal for us so you can wait for better spots.
Join Date: Sep 2016
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A2s becomes a slightly +cEV shove from HJ so from LJ it's a losing play.
Join Date: Apr 2013
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FTT app has A2s as just outside the shoving range there. A4s is okay.
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Join Date: Nov 2016
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Hi there,
I don't mind raise/folding even though we are then left with 14BBs. Shoving is a little too wide from LJ. If you were on CO+, I'd shove it all day as there is too much ICM pressure on opps.
I don't like folding it for one simple reason - we are almost on the bubble - this is the very best time to steal blinds and build up the stack. If not now, when are you actually abusing the tightness of players? This is an ideal time to abuse the bubble. Basically playing 16BBs vs 14BBs isn't too different, so I'd raise to fold to a shove. If I am called from BB, depending on the board 1 CB might be enough to add 6-7 BBs to your stack.
