BTN is a reg I know from the low level 180s.
13/11 with a 35% Total Steal and 35% BTN Steal over 1.3k hands. BB is an apparently tight rando.
I chose to flat-pre as I felt opener was pretty wide here, so decided it would be a better route to go for value. If I had 3b it would've been a shove against this player!
Pretty confused as to what hand would check this flop and then shove on the turn. Ended up folding because it looked so strong, but would like some advice on what might've been going on here.
Don't like pre since it lets the BB in the hand. Not sure why you're saying you'd 3bet shove if you 3bet at all - seems way better to put in a smallish 3bet that looks like some kind of resteal attempt, and which might give villain the impression a 4bet will get you to fold. Also not folding to the shove on the turn. Lots of hands might play that way, hands you beat - things like A7s, A3s, A8s, 98s (all spades), total air, etc.
3b pre (320-380) with BTN short enough to induce a shove (from 55+/ATs/AJs/AJo/AQs/AQo/AKs/AKo IMO).
You have left yourself in very tricky spot checking flop (I don't know if donking out can look weak, your hand is so under-repped, BB may 3X to / BTN can re-steal) but think you till have to call turn shove and hope he has oesd/AT/KT
Ok well thanks guys, I have an issue of giving people way too much credit and when I get lost I tend to fold.
Just felt like 3b against this player was gona look so so strong, and considering his range was pretty wide to begin thought I was just gona make all but the top of it insta-fold, hence why I would've preferred a straight 3b shove if anything, which would've looked a lot weaker than a small 3b.
Cheers people, if anyone else wants to add anything else I will appreciate it!
Ok well thanks guys, I have an issue of giving people way too much credit and when I get lost I tend to fold.
I think you're giving our threads too much credit. You wanna iso pre, I don't know what your iso is, but with this hand and questionable calls pre I might just stuff it in at some point.
Flatting just gives stupid odds pre for them to call turd hands.
3 bet to ~400, looks like a re steal, likely to get a shove from A8 - AK and most pairs especially in a turbo. But after the line you've taken, folding is just not good.
3bet pre would be optimal just because you are going to be able to get it in ahead so much more often pre-flop, which should be blindingly obvious. Having said that because you flatted here you must be willing to shut down on boards that we know could smash villains range, I see him showing up with a lot of 45/46/44/55 (more likely the low pps because he feels more confident that hes not going to get drawn out on) type hands here which check the flop, sometimes he has spades but not often given the way he played it. I think you just need to give this guy credit here and the times when he has that naked 10/JJ/QQ etc you just have to take it in your stride. You sacrificed any luxury of getting it in comfortably here by not 3betting pre. Its always going to be a tough call here because you have no way of knowing what hands these guys are holding, and the truth is your facing a rather heated bet on a turn that completes several draws that check the flop, several sets, and a lot of potential spade+straight draws that don't do absolutely terribly against you.
Having said all that I can't see myself folding here in the heat of the moment, but with all things said it really looks like he has the hand here, so the obvious choice would be to preserve your fold equity and move on and milk this donkey later. If he is spazzing out now, and you fold, there's a good chance he will do it again at some stage so don't beat yourself up over folding here.
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