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 Scary Turn, What is the best approach?  Scary Turn, What is the best approach?

07-26-2017 , 11:23 PM
I just got moved to the table. No read on the villain. 87 players remaining, 63 places paid. Folded 4/5 scrappy hands, finally caught AKo in the HJ position.

HJ (Hero): 20BB, AK
CO: 22 BB
BTN: 22 BB
SB: 10BB
BB: 10BB

Preflop: 2.4 BB
Action folded to Hero, Hero raises to 2.5BB, CO folds, BTN calls, SB and BB folds.

Flop Heads-up: 7.4 BB: A3J
Hero bets 3.5 BB, Btn calls

Turn: 14.4 BB A 3 J J

Hero Checks, Btn bets 6BB, Hero???

Do you think the flop bet is too small? Should the turn be bet fold?
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07-27-2017 , 12:03 AM
These type of spots really come down to control.

I would bet the turn because we keep the betting lead and are in control of the hand. We still get value from worse aces, f draws and possibly some double floats with gutters (KQ,QT). Checking turn we give up control and put ourselves in heaps of awkward spots.

Generally speaking if a spot looks close to betting to checking always bet, this is because it is always better to be aggressive than passive in nlhe. So you should have a slight bias towards more aggressive lines when its close.

Bet turn again and if he calls, check/evaluate river but generally speaking folding if he bets (esp on heart rivers). Hes checking back and taking his SDV with worse aces and doubt he would bluff river often on such a dangerous texture when we shown decent strength by betting twice. Gl
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07-27-2017 , 05:28 AM
As we only have 20BB i would be looking to bet the flop enough to allow us to shove the turn if called.

As played no you can't fold turn
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07-27-2017 , 05:40 AM
Whos this spamming ****? Mods sort them out plz
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07-27-2017 , 08:42 AM
Suddenly I have a desire to buy Nike shoes...

The J is only a scary card if Jx makes up a large portion of villain's range. What Jx could he have? Not JJ. AJ/KJ/QJ/JT/J9 sure. But since he called on the BTN and called that flop, his range will include a host of other hands: worse Aces, heart draws, e combo draws (KThh), 33, A3...he could even be calling a bet with hands like 88-TT, especially with a heart. Now the J doesn't look quite so scary does it?

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07-27-2017 , 09:35 AM
The turn nails his range but I don't think you can fold for 20 BB's. I think setting up a turn jam would be the best play on the flop though, this also looks like a really bluffy line because most people expect aces to slow down on the turn and you might find yourself getting a lot of calls from hands you beat. Which is much better than checking and putting yourself in a gross spot and the turn and river.
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07-28-2017 , 10:07 AM
vil can have worse Ax and FD so i thnik we still have to bet turn and most probs gii.

Would go 4.5-5 on flop to set up turn shove.
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07-28-2017 , 02:38 PM
Bit of an interesting spot and also a really common spot if you play the turbos.

There are very few FD combos b/c we have Ah so I don't think betting turn to defend against flushes is worth much. There are not a ton of Ax combos AQ probably pushes pre AT and AXs are only going to put in 1 more bet.

I came up with 28 combos of hands we beat and 24x we lose to. Basically just Jx hands. So given that I think x/c turn x/f most rivers is also a fine line to take


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07-29-2017 , 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Glaciem
vil can have worse Ax and FD so i thnik we still have to bet turn and most probs gii.

Would go 4.5-5 on flop to set up turn shove.
Setting up a turn jam seems to be agreed upon,but will we get called by worse?
Betting 1/2pot turn we can defo get called by worse
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