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Old 06-27-2012, 09:48 AM   #1
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$11 merge 3way FT 4bet bluff

*i have 33BB*

BB is an aggro monkey that has been bullying with bluffs and raises and floats and generally never folding type

previous hand i raised BTN and he 3bet and i folded

is 4betting allin bad here? what is the ideal stack for this move? 25bb?

what hands other than pairs would u do this? KQs? Axs?QJs?

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Hero (SB): t19368.00 M = 17.93
BB: t28368.00 M = 26.27
BTN: t83184.00 M = 77.02

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1 fold, Hero raises to t1566.00, BB raises to t3774.00, [color=red]Hero
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Old 06-27-2012, 10:01 AM   #2
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Re: $11 merge 3way FT 4bet bluff

think it's a value 4bet jam if he's not the folding type.

20-26 BB im limp/shoving vs this villain.

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Old 06-27-2012, 11:47 AM   #3
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Re: $11 merge 3way FT 4bet bluff

Tempted to 6500/c but getting flatted kinda sucks so probably just jam.
33BB is a standard 4bshove stack.
Definitely jamming all pairs, most broadways, and a lot of Ax, 4b/c ~88+, ATs+, AJo+

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if i 4bet small and get flatted do i shove every flop?
Nope. Depends on the flop. As I said, not doing it with this hand.

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Old 06-27-2012, 11:56 AM   #4
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Re: $11 merge 3way FT 4bet bluff

if i 4bet small and get flatted do i shove every flop?
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Old 06-27-2012, 12:06 PM   #5
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Re: $11 merge 3way FT 4bet bluff

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if i 4bet small and get flatted do i shove every flop?
yes

except A99 -type flops
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Old 06-27-2012, 12:14 PM   #6
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Re: $11 merge 3way FT 4bet bluff

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except A99 -type flops
Jamming QJ2 would be really bad
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Jamming QJ2 would be really bad
not if he folds 33-99/AT
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Re: $11 merge 3way FT 4bet bluff

like if he flats 4b with (TT-22,AQs-AJs,KJs+,QJs,JTs,AQo-AJo,KQo) 8.6%

and only calls our shove with
22,AQs-AJs,KJs+,QJs,JTs,AQo-AJo,KQo (5%)

it's only very marginally -cEV with an SPR of 1 (~-3% of stack). so if we throw in some small SC in his range and weaker Axs it becomes a profitable shove.

Taking out some of the suited broadways and assuming he flats them pre instead of 3b/calling them like TJs and QJs then it also becomes a profitable shove.

like when I did the math I didn't take out the combos that include the community card so it may even be a profitable shove with the above range.

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