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Old 07-12-2012, 10:40 AM   #1
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10bb KQo in big blind facing 2 limpers

Hi all, I haven't played a lot of live tourneys, so I don't know if this is standard.

There are about 30-some people left in a 60-field tourney. Blinds go up every 15 minutes.

Blinds are at 1500-3000, and the level just started. I have about 31,000 chips left (10bb or so). A weak-tight player limps in middle position, and the button calls. I have KQo. Is this a standard shove, or should I check my option here?

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Old 07-12-2012, 10:44 AM   #2
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Re: 10bb KQo in big blind facing 2 limpers

Standard shove.
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:06 PM   #3
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Re: 10bb KQo in big blind facing 2 limpers

For the weak-tight it's okay but what is button's image and what is your own image ?
Also what are their stacks ?
If BTN is prone to call light I'm no pushing.
If I'm facing a huge stack (at least 3 times mine), I'm not pushing either.
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Old 07-12-2012, 01:09 PM   #4
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Re: 10bb KQo in big blind facing 2 limpers

My read on the button was that he didn't like to play big pots.

My own image was that I'd won a few pots at the table but also had to fold a big hand which is why I was getting short stacked as the blinds went up. I hadn't pushed yet.

They both had me covered, although not certain by how much (maybe 2-3 times). Most of the table hadn't been calling shoves from other short stacks.
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Old 07-12-2012, 01:14 PM   #5
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Re: 10bb KQo in big blind facing 2 limpers

nyaf, if you decide to check here, what is your shoving range in this spot?
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Re: 10bb KQo in big blind facing 2 limpers

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For the weak-tight it's okay but what is button's image and what is your own image ?
Also what are their stacks ?
If BTN is prone to call light I'm no pushing.
If I'm facing a huge stack (at least 3 times mine), I'm not pushing either.
WTF????? if button will call light we have more than enough equity with KQ!! It's called a value shove
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Old 07-12-2012, 05:00 PM   #7
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Re: 10bb KQo in big blind facing 2 limpers

With 10BB put KQo all in and call it a day.
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Old 07-13-2012, 01:50 AM   #8
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Re: 10bb KQo in big blind facing 2 limpers

Shove every day and twice on sunday
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Old 07-13-2012, 02:04 AM   #9
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Re: 10bb KQo in big blind facing 2 limpers

Shove. If open limper snaps you off with A8o, he snaps you off with A8o.

Never in terrible shape here though.
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Old 07-16-2012, 03:42 PM   #10
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Re: 10bb KQo in big blind facing 2 limpers

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WTF????? if button will call light we have more than enough equity with KQ!! It's called a value shove
Well live, I prefer to keep my fold/fear equity for all the nits out there ss ! I am pretty sure he had more nits to shove onto than LAGs to play back at with a shortstack.

I had better success avoiding the LAGs live (which are very few in 0-100$ buy-ins late game, they are in general bad enough to have been kicked out or else, they are really good and in this case BTN is one of them) and shoving tighter against them while shoving on the other nits to get some chips back.

See Johnnie's comment :
"Most of the table hadn't been calling shoves from other short stacks."

Why BTN is calling here with a shortstack he is covering right after him? Why is he calling after a weak-tight player instead of isoing him from a shortstack who doesn't seem to push light ? If he wanted to steal the pot, since OP seemed quite tight and the other one was weak-tight, the spot would have been right on. Why isn't he profiting from it ?

At the end of a live tournament, more people than online would be calling only with strong hands and putting pressure with garbage. He must have a clue that OP would be going all-in lighter here and waiting to call with a better hand while limping. If OP seems skilled and BTN has a clue, I don't see him calling with garbage.

I agree that it's not standard play but I don't feel the situation is a standard push while I still have FE and Fear Equity against nits.

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Old 07-16-2012, 05:58 PM   #11
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Re: 10bb KQo in big blind facing 2 limpers

Fwiw at this tourney and this table, the play was pretty bad. Nobody was really iso-ing or opening light, and there were a lot of preflop limpfests, even as the blinds went up.
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Old 07-17-2012, 08:27 AM   #12
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Re: 10bb KQo in big blind facing 2 limpers

If people were not calling all-ins light and the fact that BTN didn't like to play big pots, then the push was good and everything I said in my last post is irrelevant
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Re: 10bb KQo in big blind facing 2 limpers

I don't think I could ship fast enough. Free chips are nice.
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