We're in the money at this point, about 45 left. Not much history with villain as he recently joined the table. On the hand right before this one he limped J8s UTG.

I had no idea where I stood on the river so I checked with the intention of calling a reasonable sized bet. Then he shoved.

I wouldn't lead flop here, check pick up a likely continuation bet, depending on how i felt about his sizing I would shove, or 3bet/call. As played I would call river, If he had AK AQ with a spade I think he would play it this way post flop with your line. We never did anything in the hand to define his. Since I would usually lean towards 3/bet calling pre, I'm fine calling off now.

Why not just 3Bet and GII pre?

Post-flop I don't really understand your line at all, he's just going to fold his overcards to your flop bet and he's going to continue with Tx, flush draws, overpairs and 89 or 56.

As played on the river I don't see him playing Tx like this, he'd probably just check that back. He does have some bluffs, e.g. 89 and 56, AsXx but they there probably won't be many of these hands in EP's opening range I'd probably just fold assuming he's got a flush or an overpair to your JJ.

We're a little deep but I'd probably just shove pf

c/c flop

as played fold river

I'm shoving this pf

I thought about shoving pre but felt I was just a bit too deep. After he limped J8s utg I thought his range could be fairly wide and didn't want him to fold most of it to a shove.

Postflop I'm not sure what I was thinking - I never donkbet. Maybe I was just trying to confuse him and get him to call with weaker hands.

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I also would say shoving 37bb is bit deep, flatting doesnt seem that bad because after you there is only the big blind left to act!

I'd go for 3b/c pre - as played I'm fairly happy to gii on the flop with an overpair and this SPR - so will x/r flop and gii.
As played really not sure V is very polarised - will def have some bluffs but prob against the population it's a fold.

are you comfortable 3betting? Have you been 3betting as a bluff at all that vil knows about?

30bb is quite deep to rejam.

You said this guy has a wide opening range, why not just flat it? Encourage a squeeze from the BB and let the UTG+1 player go crazy?

Would you 3b/f? Otherwise I don't think it's any better than jam

the problem is that u 3b to 3x so 24k, they flat in position so pot is roughly 56.5k and hero has 98k left.

Flop comes AQ4 - Now what is the plan? vil range includes plenty of A and Q and plenty of flush draws. Is our post flop edge that massive? Do you plan to cbet on this board? What is your plan when the vil calls and we have 70k into a pot of 100k? you're comfortable shoving this? Or we have to check the turn and the vil can ship so much of their range because our hand is FACE UP.

We're going to be forced into so many bad decisions that sometimes its just best to flat and control the pot etc.

What about our 3b bluff range? Have we successfully portrayed to the vill that hero has a 3b bluff range? so for example if we have only 3b premiums and vil knows this when we 3b with another premium vil can go 'i got AJs here but i am just going to muck it because hero's 3b range is 5%' Now we're losing SO much value with our hand.

The problem is people play abc and go into autopilot and never think about other variables. If you're never mixing up Queens or Jacks into your sb flat range then you're easy to exploit, so i feel for sure we should 3b this hand sometimes but even i think against this vil who is opening such wide hands j8s its best to flat and allow the vil to make a mistake otherwise we're losing value and we're so polarised constantly that any good player will just pick you apart.

Not enough history for villain for him to know anything about my play.

It would be a tough spot for a standard 3b being OOP with 30bb.

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I know... I agreed with your flat

FYI I made the call. The shove looked weak, like 99 or a missed AK or maybe even AT. He had KK 😂

I find that so few villains at these levels put any thought or effort into their river bets - they just jam no matter what they hold. So hard to know whether it's a bluff or the nuts.

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