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07-28-2014 , 09:13 AM
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Ubertin
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Hello folks,

BB lost a big pot vs me the hand before so i was pretty sure he will shove over my raise, so seeing the extra first overcalls got me excited. Little did i know...

is there any way for me to not go broke in this hand?
Can i really fold that flop with my stack investment.



    Full Tilt, 80/160 blinds No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #29211571

    MP3: 8,762 (54.8 bb)
    CO: 8,719 (54.5 bb)
    BTN: 1,984 (12.4 bb)
    SB: 12,193 (76.2 bb)
    BB: 1,070 (6.7 bb)
    Hero (UTG+2): 6,892 (43.1 bb)
    MP1: 17,620 (110.1 bb)
    MP2: 19,964 (124.8 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with K K
    Hero raises to 384, MP1 calls 384, MP2 folds, MP3 calls 384, 3 folds, BB raises to 1,070 and is all-in, Hero raises to 3,040, MP1 calls 2,656, MP3 calls 2,656

    Flop: (10,270) 9 6 7 (4 players, 1 is all-in)
    Hero bets 3,852 and is all-in, MP1 calls 3,852, MP3 calls 3,852

    Turn: (21,826) 9 (4 players, 2 are all-in)
    MP1 checks, MP3 checks

    River: (21,826) Q (4 players, 2 are all-in)
    MP1 checks, MP3 checks

    Spoiler:
    Results: 21,826 pot
    Final Board: 9 6 7 9 Q
    MP3 showed Q J and won 21,826 (14,934 net)
    BB mucked K 9 and lost (-1,070 net)
    Hero showed K K and lost (-6,892 net)
    MP1 mucked J T and lost (-6,892 net)



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    07-28-2014 , 12:08 PM
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    BBV, inb4lock.

    You can't fold KK pre.

    Stop being results orientated.
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    07-28-2014 , 12:37 PM
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    No we are always getting it in

    I am actually shocked how well you got it in on the flop

    Move on to the next tournament
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    07-28-2014 , 01:01 PM
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    micros bend this way. You are 100% sure that u are not getting any flushdraw to fold on this flop and u can't shut down here just because 3 diamonds are there. Sometimes they will call you pre with like T9s or something. but mostly its going to be Ax.
    I am working with bigger sizing there sometimes. If you make it 5 or 6k all those TJ JQ type hands fish will fold. hands that will call you there are narrowing towards Ax's and lower pockets the bigger sizing u make.
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    07-28-2014 , 08:43 PM
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    4b sizing is too big imo.

    Otherwise it's BBV.
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    07-28-2014 , 10:31 PM
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    Never folding this pre , as played shove flop.
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    07-29-2014 , 12:17 AM
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dragons_Egg
    4b sizing is too big imo.

    Otherwise it's BBV.
    This. I think that OPs sizings is pretty much the nut worst. Either CIB or close to it or just shove.
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    07-29-2014 , 02:18 PM
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ubertin
    Hello folks,

    BB lost a big pot vs me the hand before so i was pretty sure he will shove over my raise, so seeing the extra first overcalls got me excited. Little did i know...

    is there any way for me to not go broke in this hand?
    Can i really fold that flop with my stack investment.



      Full Tilt, 80/160 blinds No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #29211571

      MP3: 8,762 (54.8 bb)
      CO: 8,719 (54.5 bb)
      BTN: 1,984 (12.4 bb)
      SB: 12,193 (76.2 bb)
      BB: 1,070 (6.7 bb)
      Hero (UTG+2): 6,892 (43.1 bb)
      MP1: 17,620 (110.1 bb)
      MP2: 19,964 (124.8 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with K K
      Hero raises to 384, MP1 calls 384, MP2 folds, MP3 calls 384, 3 folds, BB raises to 1,070 and is all-in, Hero raises to 3,040, MP1 calls 2,656, MP3 calls 2,656

      Flop: (10,270) 9 6 7 (4 players, 1 is all-in)
      Hero bets 3,852 and is all-in, MP1 calls 3,852, MP3 calls 3,852

      Turn: (21,826) 9 (4 players, 2 are all-in)
      MP1 checks, MP3 checks

      River: (21,826) Q (4 players, 2 are all-in)
      MP1 checks, MP3 checks

      Spoiler:
      Results: 21,826 pot
      Final Board: 9 6 7 9 Q
      MP3 showed Q J and won 21,826 (14,934 net)
      BB mucked K 9 and lost (-1,070 net)
      Hero showed K K and lost (-6,892 net)
      MP1 mucked J T and lost (-6,892 net)



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      Why would u wanna fold u got it in ahead. At this level u get it in here.
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      07-29-2014 , 02:31 PM
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      Just for clarification. You are making a big mistake during ur hand review if your goal is to find a spot where u could have folded, made the right play got your chips in ahead, but are trying to figure out a way you could have folded because you lost. These are not leaks in your game. You are using results to dictate the correct or incorrect play.
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      07-29-2014 , 02:47 PM
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      I think the hand is well played..std BBV.

      Someone else thinks a 4bet jam preflop is not bad here? (1+r tournaments)
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